MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

[The Shadow]

I expect the Packers to have a series of great seasons ahead.
The team is young, talented, and clearly on the way up.
A Super Bowl within the next two years is entirely possible.

[The Shadow]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

I stand by it. Why?

Conventional wisdom - because of your ridiculous false pride, and you're an egomaniac.

No Scott I'm just intelligent and use it right. Except when it comes to working over a moron like you. Then I drift to my dark side.

Your just so darn irrisistable Scott.

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Wow! Have you suddenly changed?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Brady no. Worst season..9-7.
Manning yes. Rookie year 3-13

Of course, Brady has only started 7 years, and it took Brett until his 14th year as a starter to have his first losing season.

[KYPack]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Brady no. Worst season..9-7.
Manning yes. Rookie year 3-13

Of course, Brady has only started 7 years, and it took Brett until his 14th year as a starter to have his first losing season.

Man, doesn't '05 seem like 20 years ago, now?

[Zool]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Brady no. Worst season..9-7.
Manning yes. Rookie year 3-13

Of course, Brady has only started 7 years, and it took Brett until his 14th year as a starter to have his first losing season.

Man, doesn't '05 seem like 20 years ago, now?

I dont recall this '05 that you're talkin about. I think I was on vacation that year.

[KYPack]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Brady no. Worst season..9-7.
Manning yes. Rookie year 3-13

Of course, Brady has only started 7 years, and it took Brett until his 14th year as a starter to have his first losing season.

Man, doesn't '05 seem like 20 years ago, now?

I dont recall this '05 that you're talkin about. I think I was on vacation that year.

4-12
Sherm canned
TT takes over as GM
Lotta shit got different
You made a New years resolution to lose weight and quit drinkin'?

member now?

[Joemailman]

I expect the Packers to have a series of great seasons ahead.
The team is young, talented, and clearly on the way up.
A Super Bowl within the next two years is entirely possible.

A couple of things will have to happen. The Packers will need to develop a more consistent running game. They won't have a QB who can carry the offense on his shoulders for half a season waiting for the running game to show up. It still bothers me that McCarthy asked Favre to carry the load against the Giants in below zero temperatures instead of committing to the running game. Perhaps being forced to commit more to the running game will make McCarthy a better coach.

The other is that Hawk and whoever the free safety is will need to become impact players. They simply need more big plays from the defense now that Favre has exited the stage.

[MJZiggy]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Reality check time Harv! Favre had a ton to do with going 13-3. To diminish his contributions in order to boost your hero is just plain WRONG! Favre freakin CARRIED this team the first half of the season when we had NO RUN GAME. His ability to read defenses and get rid of the ball, protected a less than avg O-line. Some of our biggest plays came as a result of him changing the play after reading the initial defensive alignments.

I find it interesting that you hold this viewpoint since one of the biggest arguments against it came from Favre. He emphasized three times in his retirement presser that it isn't about him and there is far too much attention placed on the quarterback.

We all worshiped Favre and only wanted the best for him, that was to go out with another Super Bowl Title or at least an appearance. For the last 16 years we have all hung on every move, every word, and most importantly every play he has ever made. In good times he was Super Man, and in bad times, he was still Super Man with Cryptonite hidden in his jock. He was our Hercules, carrying the Packers team, coaches, organization, and the state of Wisconsin on his shoulders, humping it all down field for that go ahead score in the 4th quarter. It is hard to look past #4 and see the other 52 Green Bay Packers, ready and willing to compete and conquer the NFL.

I think that may be why he said it was hard to "live up to Brett Favre." It's also partly why he emphasized the men he played with, because people tend to forget them. Like the others said, Favre didn't play all the positions; he didn't do it alone and he didn't win 13 games every year. He had a great year, has earned the respect he gets, and Rodgers has waited a long time for this shot. I expect him to do well. Time will tell if he lives up to my expectations.[/quote]

[Brando19]

I sure hope this is the year Brady has a losing season. It's possible, too. New England's lost alot of good players.

[twoseven]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Reality check time Harv! Favre had a ton to do with going 13-3. To diminish his contributions in order to boost your hero is just plain WRONG! Favre freakin CARRIED this team the first half of the season when we had NO RUN GAME. His ability to read defenses and get rid of the ball, protected a less than avg O-line. Some of our biggest plays came as a result of him changing the play after reading the initial defensive alignments.

I find it interesting that you hold this viewpoint since one of the biggest arguments against it came from Favre. He emphasized three times in his retirement presser that it isn't about him and there is far too much attention placed on the quarterback.

*He had a dominant running back to hand the ball to, aruably, only 3-4 seasons, Dorsey in 97' and Green in 01'-03'.

*He had ONE 'star' wide receiver to throw too, Sharpe, that was for all of three years, 92-94'.

*He had a dominant defense to make his job easier, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

*He had extremely strong special teams, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

*IMO, Holmgren was the only great coach he ever had, that was only the first 7 years of 16.

Brett did quite a bit with less than the best, very good, or even just good around him for a majority of his career. As did Marino and Elway, probably why they are also near the top of the list of greatest of all time. I am not surprised that Brett would deflect praise from himself towards his teammates, even though the numbers and situations are quite to the contrary in a majority of his career. HE WAS THE BEST for many reasons, his humble modesty was just one part of it.

[Bretsky]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

Reality check time Harv! Favre had a ton to do with going 13-3. To diminish his contributions in order to boost your hero is just plain WRONG! Favre freakin CARRIED this team the first half of the season when we had NO RUN GAME. His ability to read defenses and get rid of the ball, protected a less than avg O-line. Some of our biggest plays came as a result of him changing the play after reading the initial defensive alignments.

I find it interesting that you hold this viewpoint since one of the biggest arguments against it came from Favre. He emphasized three times in his retirement presser that it isn't about him and there is far too much attention placed on the quarterback.

*He had a dominant running back to hand the ball to, aruably, only 3-4 seasons, Dorsey in 97' and Green in 01'-03'.

*He had ONE 'star' wide receiver to throw too, Sharpe, that was for all of three years, 92-94'.

*He had a dominant defense to make his job easier, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

*He had extremely strong special teams, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

*IMO, Holmgren was the only great coach he ever had, that was only the first 7 years of 16.

Brett did quite a bit with less than the best, very good, or even just good around him for a majority of his career. As did Marino and Elway, probably why they are also near the top of the list of greatest of all time. I am not surprised that Brett would deflect praise from himself towards his teammates, even though the numbers and situations are quite to the contrary in a majority of his career. HE WAS THE BEST for many reasons, his humble modesty was just one part of it.

GREAT POST

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

We weren't talking historically. We were talking about this year's team. Historically, we haven't won 13 games and gone to the NFC Championship that often--even with Favre in his prime.

*He had a dominant running back to hand the ball to, aruably, only 3-4 seasons, Dorsey in 97' and Green in 01'-03'.

Green was pretty damn good for the better part of 7 years. In 2007, Ryan Grant was pretty darn good for 10 games.

*He had ONE 'star' wide receiver to throw too, Sharpe, that was for all of three years, 92-94'.

One star receiver, but Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Donald Drver, and Javon Walker were pretty darn good. In 2007, he had a very good receiving corps. Probably top 5 in the league.

*He had a dominant defense to make his job easier, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

Depends what you classify as dominant. The way you are judging leads me to believe you are talking about a top 2 or 3 defense. Those don't come around very often. The 1993 defense was top 5, by the way. In 2007 he had a top 10 defense.

*He had extremely strong special teams, arguably, only 2-3 seasons, 96-98'.

In 2007 he had a top 10 special teams unit.

[twoseven]

Re: MODIFIED EXPECTATIONS OR VIEWPOINTS with the LEGEND GONE

We weren't talking historically. We were talking about this year's team. Historically, we haven't won 13 games and gone to the NFC Championship that often--even with Favre in his prime.

13 games won is not heads and shoulders better than 10, 11, or 12 wins, and Favre did that plenty, which was the point of the other post response.

My other point is simple, how often in 16 years did opponents have to worry about much more than Favre? Not too often outside of what I listed, it was my opinion.

Dominance to me meant that Brett could play pedestrain or not so well and those other aspects of the team could take over and win the game. How often did any of that happen? Could Green take over, yes, but definitely NOT during MOST of his Packer days. Ryan Grant without Favre keeping defenses honest, we'll find out NEXT YEAR. Our defense and special teams, again I think not outside of 96-98.

As for 2007 and Brett not carrying the offense often and being a major reason why we won 13, I guess we'll find out how much of a difference Brett made next season when Rodgers takes over.

[easy cheesy]

I expect the Packers to have a series of great seasons ahead.
The team is young, talented, and clearly on the way up.
A Super Bowl within the next two years is entirely possible.

Pretty darn close!

[The Shadow]

Pretty darn close!

The Shadow knows.
He knows.....