Chad Pennington

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I didn't know Rodgers needed a fire lit anywhere, care to shed some light?

Cmon Nutz. The guy has been in the league 3 years and he hasn't started a single game. He clearly doesn't have what it takes to be a good pro QB.

That might be a better statement than, "Light a fire under his ass". What the hell does that mean? I guess if he was a slacker, and had a poor work ethic reported I would understand the comment, but everyone has nothing but praise for the kid.

Competition is good at every position. He has been spoon fed since he arrived in Green Bay and was handed the backup role with because of his draft status. You don't think that mentally that can change how he approaches things? After three years of knowing you have a job regardless of your performance or health, people get complacent. I don't argue his work ethic, I don't argue that he isn't try to improve. However, when you bring someone in to compete with him, you may just find out before the season starts what you really have in the kid. Will he rise to the occasion? Will he learn and excel? Or will he basically fold up? You don't know that, I don't know that, and the Packers don't know that. Competition for the position sure would change the dynamics of the past 3 years of his career. That is what is best for the Packers.

Right. Spoon fed. LOL

You think the coaches wouldn't be on his ass if he wasnt' doing the work? You think they wouldn't bring in another QB if he was resting? Stop it.

Your theory is complete bunk. It surely didn't hurt Hasselbeck, it didn't hurt brunell, or brooks, or detmer.

It didn't hurt danny white. It didn't hurt Jay Cutler. It didn't hurt Steve McNair. They all waited their turn. That was the way it was done when you didn't rush QBs to start right away because you had paid them a ton.

[Merlin]

Your theory is complete bunk. It surely didn't hurt Hasselbeck, it didn't hurt brunell, or brooks, or detmer.

It didn't hurt danny white. It didn't hurt Jay Cutler. It didn't hurt Steve McNair. They all waited their turn. That was the way it was done when you didn't rush QBs to start right away because you had paid them a ton.

There's where your argument goes right down the toilet. Only a select few in that list did not have competition (Steve McNair comes to mind). Some of them were even the #3 QB when they came in (Hasselbeck, Brunell, Brooks). Danny White wasn't the instant backu p to Staubach either. He had competition as did Jay Cutler (or does not competing ith the starter not count?). Rodgers? #2 from day one even though Nall proved he was more then capable at the time, he was instantly relegated to #3 and also working with the scrubs in practice and preseason. Rodgers? #1 offense most of the time, mostly starters the rest of the time. Not spoon fed? The guy hasn't paid any dues, not a one. He was "given" the job, he did not earn it. There is the difference.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Weak armed QBs? Like Troy Aikman and Steve Young?

Aikman and Young had much more arm strength than Pennington. Aikman was far from weak armed. Young's running ability and accuracy were uncanny. Those guys didn't throw like Favre and Elway, but Aikman had above average arm strength, and I'm guessing Young was around average. Pennington is well below average at this point in his career.

[KYPack]

Weak armed QBs? Like Troy Aikman and Steve Young?

Aikman and Young had much more arm strength than Pennington. Aikman was far from weak armed. Young's running ability and accuracy were uncanny. Those guys didn't throw like Favre and Elway, but Aikman had above average arm strength, and I'm guessing Young was around average. Pennington is well below average at this point in his career.

I'd defintely echo Harve's remarks.

Both guys had a hose. The "young"Steve Young was a clinic on why a live arm is only a part of the Art of Quarterbacking. It's no simple equation to bring along the young QB. Generally, the kid QB's are better off on the pine with the ball cap & clip board year 1. Year, 2 game exposure. Then it varies by the guy. Yrs 4&5 the veil is lifted & they are ready to drive the machine. Some guys never figure it out and are called Cade McNown and a 1000 other bums.

I was very pleasantly by ARod's progress. He was a hopeless rookie. No pocket presence, and WAY behind on his reads. Year 2 he advanced. Year 3's progression is why I think Brett made his decision. ARod did a lot of good things down in Dallas. Made his reads, went thru the progressions, hit the checkdowns and made solid reads. The kid is as ready as he'll be. Now we get to go thru his growing pains as a full time starter.

[twoseven]

Aikman and Young may have had stronger arms than CP, but they didn't throw darts but once in awhile, they rarely had to. They were too busy making the right reads and hitting guys in stride, not breaking their fingers and threading needles. They had incredible timing and touch on a majority of their passes. I watched their entire careers just like you guys did, I know what I saw. While Favre was rocketing balls allover hell in his early years, I often screamed at the TV, 'why can't you have more touch like Aikman and Young, give up some velocity in favor of some accuracy.'

I look forward to more touch and timing from Arod, Favre's lasers were not always fun to watch.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your theory is complete bunk. It surely didn't hurt Hasselbeck, it didn't hurt brunell, or brooks, or detmer.

It didn't hurt danny white. It didn't hurt Jay Cutler. It didn't hurt Steve McNair. They all waited their turn. That was the way it was done when you didn't rush QBs to start right away because you had paid them a ton.

There's where your argument goes right down the toilet. Only a select few in that list did not have competition (Steve McNair comes to mind). Some of them were even the #3 QB when they came in (Hasselbeck, Brunell, Brooks). Danny White wasn't the instant backu p to Staubach either. He had competition as did Jay Cutler (or does not competing ith the starter not count?). Rodgers? #2 from day one even though Nall proved he was more then capable at the time, he was instantly relegated to #3 and also working with the scrubs in practice and preseason. Rodgers? #1 offense most of the time, mostly starters the rest of the time. Not spoon fed? The guy hasn't paid any dues, not a one. He was "given" the job, he did not earn it. There is the difference.

Regardless of whether they were #2 or #3 isn't relevant. No QB on the packer roster was going to supplant Favre. So, it isn't relevant. They improved and got better...and other teams wanted them.

Cutler: Everybody knew he was the heir apparent.

When you draft a QB in the first round it is mostly a given that they will be the guy.

Nall: Get over yourself. He has never done anything. If he was good somebody woulda noticed. He failed in buffalo. Your man crush on him is disgusting. Nall is going to be outta the league and you'll still be touting his horn that he coulda been a contenda.

The fact that they drafted Arod should tell you everything you need to know about Nall. He doesn't have it..unless you think you are smarter than most GMs, and coaches.

And for you to say that they handed Arod the position goes against everything that Sherman, etc. were about. They allowed Nall to compete and beat out Couch, akili smith, etc.

Let's go back, you fucking idiot. When Sherman let Favre skip mini camp. Nall was #1..oops, there goes your theory. And, what did Nall do? Well, with a 2 day lead on arod and the rooks he threw a couple of interceptions on the third day.

Oh, and what did Sherman say about Nall and where he stood?

"He and I visited prior to Aaron getting here, and I told him, 'You can't look over your shoulder and you just have to be who you are and play within yourself, and you've done a great job.' I thought he had a very good season for a backup last year. When he had to step in, he stepped in and did a good job. So I think that developed confidence in him where he can carry that into this season. And you have to be able to handle a bad day. Brett's had them; everybody's had them. So you have to be able to fight through that and be able to come back the next day, which he was able to do."

Although Rodgers will get every opportunity to show his stuff as a No. 1 draft pick, Nall showed no hesitation when asked if he thought he could beat out Rodgers and be the eventual successor to Favre.

"No doubt," he said. "I'm very confident in what I'm doing. I'm getting better every day and just going out there and eliminating mistakes. I started off the camp really well and I'm just looking forward to continuing to do that."

Or from www.footballguys.com

Craig Nall vs. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers - With an aging Brett Favre, a defense with lots of question marks, and a head coach in the final year of his contract, the Packers didn't draft Aaron Rodgers with their first round choice without believing he has the chance to be Favre's heir apparent. While his future in the organization seems clear, his role this season is most definitely not. Craig Nall sits at #2 at the start of camp, and Rodgers and he will compete for the job in an open competition. It seems almost silly to overanalyze the Green Bay backup situation, since Brett Favre is the closest thing to indestructible the QB position has ever come across; but whoever does win the job would have huge shoes to fill and shouldn't be considered a fantasy option until we see them in action for a game or two.

Or from the sporting news:

He typically likes to take a lot of practice snaps, and he might need more than usual to get himself ready, which isn't ideal when the club has to sort out a three-man competition among Aaron Rodgers, Craig Nall and J.T. O'Sullivan for the backup jobs.

Dues: He sat behind Favre. That is paying your dues. What, does he need to be in a cage fight? Does he need to get kicked around.

The point that you cannot refute is that the coaching staff surely woulda replaced arod or got on him if he wasn't doing the work. If he wasn't doing well then they would have relegated him to third string.

You fail to realize that Arod has a new coach that has NO TIES TO HIM.

Go home and masturbate to your pictures of Craig Nall.

[Merlin]

Your theory is complete bunk. It surely didn't hurt Hasselbeck, it didn't hurt brunell, or brooks, or detmer.

It didn't hurt danny white. It didn't hurt Jay Cutler. It didn't hurt Steve McNair. They all waited their turn. That was the way it was done when you didn't rush QBs to start right away because you had paid them a ton.

There's where your argument goes right down the toilet. Only a select few in that list did not have competition (Steve McNair comes to mind). Some of them were even the #3 QB when they came in (Hasselbeck, Brunell, Brooks). Danny White wasn't the instant backu p to Staubach either. He had competition as did Jay Cutler (or does not competing ith the starter not count?). Rodgers? #2 from day one even though Nall proved he was more then capable at the time, he was instantly relegated to #3 and also working with the scrubs in practice and preseason. Rodgers? #1 offense most of the time, mostly starters the rest of the time. Not spoon fed? The guy hasn't paid any dues, not a one. He was "given" the job, he did not earn it. There is the difference.

Regardless of whether they were #2 or #3 isn't relevant. No QB on the packer roster was going to supplant Favre. So, it isn't relevant. They improved and got better...and other teams wanted them.

Cutler: Everybody knew he was the heir apparent.

When you draft a QB in the first round it is mostly a given that they will be the guy.

Nall: Get over yourself. He has never done anything. If he was good somebody woulda noticed. He failed in buffalo. Your man crush on him is disgusting. Nall is going to be outta the league and you'll still be touting his horn that he coulda been a contenda.

The fact that they drafted Arod should tell you everything you need to know about Nall. He doesn't have it..unless you think you are smarter than most GMs, and coaches.

And for you to say that they handed Arod the position goes against everything that Sherman, etc. were about. They allowed Nall to compete and beat out Couch, akili smith, etc.

Let's go back, you fucking idiot. When Sherman let Favre skip mini camp. Nall was #1..oops, there goes your theory. And, what did Nall do? Well, with a 2 day lead on arod and the rooks he threw a couple of interceptions on the third day.

Oh, and what did Sherman say about Nall and where he stood?

"He and I visited prior to Aaron getting here, and I told him, 'You can't look over your shoulder and you just have to be who you are and play within yourself, and you've done a great job.' I thought he had a very good season for a backup last year. When he had to step in, he stepped in and did a good job. So I think that developed confidence in him where he can carry that into this season. And you have to be able to handle a bad day. Brett's had them; everybody's had them. So you have to be able to fight through that and be able to come back the next day, which he was able to do."

Although Rodgers will get every opportunity to show his stuff as a No. 1 draft pick, Nall showed no hesitation when asked if he thought he could beat out Rodgers and be the eventual successor to Favre.

"No doubt," he said. "I'm very confident in what I'm doing. I'm getting better every day and just going out there and eliminating mistakes. I started off the camp really well and I'm just looking forward to continuing to do that."

Or from www.footballguys.com

Craig Nall vs. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers - With an aging Brett Favre, a defense with lots of question marks, and a head coach in the final year of his contract, the Packers didn't draft Aaron Rodgers with their first round choice without believing he has the chance to be Favre's heir apparent. While his future in the organization seems clear, his role this season is most definitely not. Craig Nall sits at #2 at the start of camp, and Rodgers and he will compete for the job in an open competition. It seems almost silly to overanalyze the Green Bay backup situation, since Brett Favre is the closest thing to indestructible the QB position has ever come across; but whoever does win the job would have huge shoes to fill and shouldn't be considered a fantasy option until we see them in action for a game or two.

Or from the sporting news:

He typically likes to take a lot of practice snaps, and he might need more than usual to get himself ready, which isn't ideal when the club has to sort out a three-man competition among Aaron Rodgers, Craig Nall and J.T. O'Sullivan for the backup jobs.

Dues: He sat behind Favre. That is paying your dues. What, does he need to be in a cage fight? Does he need to get kicked around.

The point that you cannot refute is that the coaching staff surely woulda replaced arod or got on him if he wasn't doing the work. If he wasn't doing well then they would have relegated him to third string.

You fail to realize that Arod has a new coach that has NO TIES TO HIM.

Go home and masturbate to your pictures of Craig Nall.

Once again TB, the second you are proven a fool, you try and back track. Too bad so sad. You lost, get used to it.

[Merlin]

Let's go back, you fucking idiot. When Sherman let Favre skip mini camp. Nall was #1..oops, there goes your theory. And, what did Nall do? Well, with a 2 day lead on arod and the rooks he threw a couple of interceptions on the third day.

I had to pick out this one because this just shows how morons argue. When your argument isn't valid, resort to name calling and pure BS. Mini-Camp? LMFGDAO. Rodgers wasn't even signed yet you friggin tool. But you keep on bringing in your "facts", even though they are all about someone who wasn't even on the friggin team yet. But you know it all "I make em up as I go".

[The Shadow]

I would dearly love for the Packers to pick up Pennington.
He would be a great fit to back up Rodgers.