Vernon Davis be stoopid?

[b bulldog]

Actually the Raiders were one team that wanted to move up and we could have done that deal and picked a LB that is as good as Hawk is and have gotten a second day pick in return. AAnyone who states that teams will or won't do something on draft day are very ignorant. If a team covets a certain player, they do what it takes to get the job done.

[b bulldog]

We will see Leaper, we will see

[twoseven]

Actually the Raiders were one team that wanted to move up and we could have done that deal and picked a LB that is as good as Hawk is and have gotten a second day pick in return. AAnyone who states that teams will or won't do something on draft day are very ignorant. If a team covets a certain player, they do what it takes to get the job done.

OAK wanted to move up and do what? Vernon Davis is the ONLY player other than Hawk that they did not have a shot at sitting where they were. Unless they wanted so badly to get VD that they would give up a pick or more to get him, that trade scenario still doesn't happen.

[b bulldog]

You are wrong. Teams move up two spots if they covet a player. If you disagree, you don't follow the draft very close.

[b bulldog]

Raiders liked Hawk if I remember correctly

[b bulldog]

Just to prove my point on what teams will do in the draFT, in 2004, the detroit Lions and the Browns made a trade. The Lions had the 6th pick in round one and they traded that pick to the Browns for their number one pick, which happened to be the 7th overall pick in round one and the Browns second round pick, which was the 37th overall pick. I'm not saying that we would have recieved the Raiders second round pick but anyone who says that any draft day scenario is never going to happen or certain trade scenario's don't or won't happen have no clue what the draft is all about. That is the beauty of it all. I think the Raiders may have given us a 4th or 5th rounder to move up a few spots.

[Deputy Nutz]

Just to prove my point on what teams will do in the draFT, in 2004, the detroit Lions and the Browns made a trade. The Lions had the 6th pick in round one and they traded that pick to the Browns for their number one pick, which happened to be the 7th overall pick in round one and the Browns second round pick, which was the 37th overall pick. I'm not saying that we would have recieved the Raiders second round pick but anyone who says that any draft day scenario is never going to happen or certain trade scenario's don't or won't happen have no clue what the draft is all about. That is the beauty of it all. I think the Raiders may have given us a 4th or 5th rounder to move up a few spots.

Don't ever use evidence of what Detroit or Cleveland did in a draft.

2007 was the first good draft Cleveland has had in 15 years.

[Charles Woodson]

Just to prove my point on what teams will do in the draFT, in 2004, the detroit Lions and the Browns made a trade. The Lions had the 6th pick in round one and they traded that pick to the Browns for their number one pick, which happened to be the 7th overall pick in round one and the Browns second round pick, which was the 37th overall pick. I'm not saying that we would have recieved the Raiders second round pick but anyone who says that any draft day scenario is never going to happen or certain trade scenario's don't or won't happen have no clue what the draft is all about. That is the beauty of it all. I think the Raiders may have given us a 4th or 5th rounder to move up a few spots.

Don't ever use evidence of what Detroit or Cleveland did in a draft.

2007 was the first good draft Cleveland has had in 15 years.

but come on, it proves bulldogs point so perfectly

Bulldog whats with your fetish for bashing hawk? You keep talking about picking ryans but hes a MLB, hence the reason for all his tackles...

[gbpackfan]

I don't get the posters who would rather have Ryans or Willis then Hawk. We have Nick Barnett at the MLB position, one of the best in the league in my opinion! He should have gone to the probowl last season. Why are so many in such a hurry to replace Barnett? Silly IMO, just silly.

[MadtownPacker]

The Lions had the 6th pick in round one and they traded that pick to the Browns for their number one pick, which happened to be the 7th overall pick in round one and the Browns second round pick, which was the 37th overall pick.

Nutz beat me to it.

If Bulldog has voted this has got to be the first poll ever where everyone agrees.

[twoseven]

Raiders liked Hawk if I remember correctly

Then why didn't THEY take Sims at #7??

[twoseven]

You are wrong. Teams move up two spots if they covet a player. If you disagree, you don't follow the draft very close.

YES, situations like you describe DO happen. But, I'm not talking hypothetically.

Actually the Raiders were one team that wanted to move up and we could have done that deal and picked a LB that is as good as Hawk is and have gotten a second day pick in return. AAnyone who states that teams will or won't do something on draft day are very ignorant. If a team covets a certain player, they do what it takes to get the job done.

You claimed we could have traded with OAK, here's why I say you are wrong..IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

The only possible scenarios in a potential GB OAK trade
1) no trade was ever actually discussed.
2) no trade discussed could be agreed upon.
3) a trade was agreed upon and completed.

We were in the power position, if TT actually wanted to drop two spots and OAK was willing it would have happened. It didn't happen because of reason one or two. So your insisting we could have done a deal with OAK and then picked up Sims is goofy, we didn't because GB and OAK were not willing to swap picks. Go back and read the three scenarios again if you still don't get what I am saying.

Picking out all of the guys that surprised everyone two years later and using hindsight to suggest who we should have picked is lame.

[b bulldog]

What is goofy is what you think about the draft. I've already proved that teams do things that many may think are foolish and the reason it didn't happen imo, is B. There was trade talks with that pick, TT acknowlwdgwed that after the fact but obviously a trade never went down. The part about picking Ryans is that 56 could have easily been moved to the will position but I wish we would have moved down and picked up some more picks and grabbed Sims.

[b bulldog]

Hindsight??? I posted before the draft that if we want Hawk, we could trade out from 5 and pick a LB as good as he is and get more picks. I guess hindsight is lame but what I'm saying is not hindsight.

[twoseven]

What is goofy is what you think about the draft.

Gee, that was a good one.