Vernon Davis be stoopid?

[twoseven]

Hindsight??? I posted before the draft that if we want Hawk, we could trade out from 5 and pick a LB as good as he is

..and this makes a lot of sense, too. If we wanted Hawk we could pick another LB instead.

[twoseven]

Bulldog, your intense detest and loathing for Hawk is just great. Keep it up. But to continue to tell us all how he's a huge disapointment, that there were numerous LBs as good or better than he is in the draft is bordering on looney tunes. Do you think that none of us actually watch him play? Wow.

[b bulldog]

Obviously TT wanted Hawk cause he picked him but it is also obvious as I stated at the time that we could have moved out of 5 and picked a lb as good as Hawk in the first round. My whole point is that Hawk wasn't my choice and we could have done something with that pick and still got a good LB. So far, that has been proven out.

[twoseven]

My whole point is that Hawk wasn't my choice. So far, that has been proven out.

Now, I totally agree with you!

[b bulldog]

What is truely looney how people like you think what he has and hasn't done, where he was picked, is acceptable. We need playmakers on D, as everyone has noted, wouldn't you expect your 5th overall pick to be a gamechanger? Sims, Ryans, McIntosh, Howard and Greenway are at worst as good as he is.

[b bulldog]

You are good at chopping my words, please look at the numbers for the LB's I noted and see how they compare.

[twoseven]

What is truely looney how people like you think what he has and hasn't done, where he was picked, is acceptable. We need playmakers on D, as everyone has noted, wouldn't you expect your 5th overall pick to be a gamechanger? Sims, Ryans, McIntosh, Howard and Greenway are at worst as good as he is.

Simple question for you, maybe.

What are Hawk's duties in our defensive scheme?

Is he the big guy that is at the center of everything, constantly in a situation to make all these tackles and big plays you keep copmplaining about.

Yes, or no?

[b bulldog]

Keep posting your thoughts and opinions, we are all entitled to them but I hit the Hawk stuff pretty much on the head up to this point. If he has a big season next year, I'll gladly say I am wrong about him as I did about Brett.

[b bulldog]

Playmakers make plays, plain and simple. I was at the Giants game and saw first hand when Hawk was totally blasted on that screen play and gave up a big first down. Hawk is good inj coverage and needs work near the line of scrimmage. The D is set up for 56 but that by no way gives Hawk a pass. hE IS SET UP TO MAKE PLAYS IN THE PASSING GAME, ISN'T HE??

[The Leaper]

Bulldog is to Hawk what Wist used to be for Barnett.

Notice that Wist isn't as vocal about Barnett anymore. Bulldog won't be too vocal about Hawk in a couple more years either.

[twoseven]

Way to NOT answer the question.

Simple, if you have no clue as to what a player has been COACHED to do and what his ASSIGNMENTS ARE in our scheme, maybe you should (1) stop bitching about Hawk when you have no clue what he's supposed to be doing, so as to fairly judge his efforts, or (2) call up the Packers and tell them to switch schemes so Hawk can live up to his #5 pick, because that's what really matters to you.

[The Leaper]

Playmakers make plays, plain and simple. I was at the Giants game and saw first hand when Hawk was totally blasted on that screen play and gave up a big first down.

I've seen Ray Lewis get absolutely clobbered and give up big plays too. He must suck donkey nuts.

Picking out a handful of plays that are negative does not prove your point. Hawk made far more positive plays in the last 2 years than he has negative.

[b bulldog]

LEAPER, I HONESTLY DO HOPE YOUR CORRECT. I do wish him well but he is overrated imo but this wouldn't be the first timee I've been wrong and it wouldn't be the last.

[The Leaper]

hE IS SET UP TO MAKE PLAYS IN THE PASSING GAME, ISN'T HE??

He had quite a few pass breakups this year...and rarely was beaten deep in the passing game.

I'd call that mission accomplished for the most part. He's not a DB. He's not going to intercept 8 passes a year.

[b bulldog]

Agree but when you whine about not being in a position to make plays because of the D that is being played, he'd sure the hell better make those plays when he is in the position to make those plays. Leaper, in the end, Sims will be looked at as the better LB of the two and Hawk will be lucky to be looked at as being in the top 3 LB's in that draft.