Vernon Davis be stoopid?

[b bulldog]

pLAYMAKERS MAKE PLAYS, LIKE CREATING TURNOVERS

[b bulldog]

95 TACKLES, 1 SACK, 6 PICS AND 2 TD'S. OLB from the Raiders who's D doesn't center around him either. He was picked the same year that Hawk was, Thomas Howard.

[twoseven]

I was at the Giants game and saw first hand when Hawk was totally blasted on that screen play and gave up a big first down.

I saw #4 overall Charles Woodson, your boy, almost knocked out of his friggin shoes on one of the first plays of the game. Gee, now I think he sucks.

[twoseven]

95 TACKLES, 1 SACK, 6 PICS AND 2 TD'S. OLB from the Raiders who's D doesn't center around him either. He was picked the same year that Hawk was, Thomas Howard.

Keep posting stats from other players, that proves everything.

[The Leaper]

95 TACKLES, 1 SACK, 6 PICS AND 2 TD'S. OLB from the Raiders who's D doesn't center around him either. He was picked the same year that Hawk was, Thomas Howard.

What was the Raiders' record again? How great was their overall defensive ranking?

Who cares what Howard did? His team and defense sucked donkey nuts.

[twoseven]

95 TACKLES, 1 SACK, 6 PICS AND 2 TD'S. OLB from the Raiders who's D doesn't center around him either. He was picked the same year that Hawk was, Thomas Howard.

What was the Raiders' record again? How great was their overall defensive ranking?

Who cares what Howard did? His team and defense sucked donkey nuts.

It's like Woody said to Wesley in White Men Can't Jump..

'you'd rather look good and lose, than look bad and win.'

[The Leaper]

It's like Woody said to Wesley in White Men Can't Jump..

'you'd rather look good and lose, than look bad and win.'

Exactly.

How many plays did Howard go for an INT, miss, and the opposition got a big play as a result? You don't see those stats on NFL.com. For all we know, Howard gave up 30 big plays to get those 6 INTs. Is that something you want?

Hawk plays solid, disciplined football. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't watch the games or is clueless about football.

[ND72]

AAnyone who states that teams will or won't do something on draft day are very ignorant. If a team covets a certain player, they do what it takes to get the job done.

Which is exactly what Teddy did, he coveted Hawk, so he took him.

[ND72]

Obviously TT wanted Hawk cause he picked him but it is also obvious as I stated at the time that we could have moved out of 5 and picked a lb as good as Hawk in the first round. My whole point is that Hawk wasn't my choice and we could have done something with that pick and still got a good LB. So far, that has been proven out.

I donno how it's been proven out. Yes, Sims - Howard - Ryan, have put up better stats, but I don't give 2 shits about stats. It's like telling me Ahmad Carroll ran a 4.22 at his personal day, YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY...I'M SO HAPPY. As far as my memory serves me, we've had 2 good years now, especially defensively, and as memory serves, Hawk is on that defense. Our defense is designed to go to the MLB. The Packers do many things with Hawk that you don't see...why? Because he's doing his job.

[the_idle_threat]

[I]n the end, Sims will be looked at as the better LB of the two ...

He'll have to last as long as Hawk does first. I still maintain that's unlikely, given that Sims is smallish, likes to hit, and has been prone to concussions earlier in his playing career.

[A]nd Hawk will be lucky to be looked at as being in the top 3 LB's in that draft.

This could happen, but mainly because probably the majority of people share your lack of sophisication in judging players, lazily relying on stats without looking at the surrounding circumstances.

[b bulldog]

Good one but stats show some things along with the film. I bet in detroit, Oakland, Houston, and Washington their team writers are not writing articles about how their LB from that draft has been somewhat disappointing like McGinn did but I'm sure he is an idiot and knows nothing about football .

[b bulldog]

chuck Woodson my boy, good one. Show me some posts where I give any UM players props for their NFL play other than Brady. IMO, the best Dplayer in this draft will be from O St so that stupid comment doesn't hold any water.

[ND72]

Good one but stats show some things along with the film. I bet in detroit, Oakland, Houston, and Washington their team writers are not writing articles about how their LB from that draft has been somewhat disappointing like McGinn did but I'm sure he is an idiot and knows nothing about football .

That's because their TEAMS are disappointing. AJ Hawk is bound to bring up critisim because of the fact he was a Top 5 pick. If all we have to do is complain about him "not putting up statistics" even though he lead the team in tackles his Rookie season, well damn. I'm glad Ernie Sims puts up huge numbers on a pathetic team...maybe you should just become a Lions fan if you like the statistics, Kitna puts up some decent numbers too.

[MJZiggy]

This may be the first time we've ever had a completely unanimous poll in the history of PackerRats. Now watch, someone will go vote opposite just to screw it up...

[the_idle_threat]

This may be the first time we've ever had a completely unanimous poll in the history of PackerRats. Now watch, someone will go vote opposite just to screw it up...

I could put up a Tony Mandarich poll ...