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**HarveyWallbangers** · 05-31-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by shamrockfan

So Bart Starr, Lynn Dickey and Brett Favre were/are "decent" and the other 21 who started games for the Packers since the late 1950s were just "suckwads". I guess that would make Majkowski's seasons in Green Bay better than the "average" wouldn't it?

Being the 4th best QB in Green Bay over the last 50 years is decent in my book, especially when two of the three better are/will be NFL HOFers. 4th out of 25 should merit some respect.

So, Erik Kramer is a Bears Hall of Famer because he's been one of the better QBs in Chicago? Give me a break. It just means there have been bad QBs in Chicago. Outside of 2 great ones (Favre, Starr), 1 solid one (Dickey), and 1 QB who was slightly below average, but better than the other 21 suckwads (Majik), the Packers have had terrible QB play since the 50s.

**HarveyWallbangers** · 05-31-2006, 04:08 PM

11-21-1 as starting QB outside of 1989 with a 53 completion %, 36 TDs, and 47 interceptions. Are our standards that low?

Scott Mitchell had a great year in Detroit. Like, Majik he was a one year fluke.

Scott Mitchell in 1995:
59.3 completion %, 4338 yards, 32 TDs, 12 interceptions, team made playoffs with 10-6 record

Don Majkowski in 1989:
58.9 completion%, 4318 yards, 27 TDs, 20 interceptions, team just missed playoffs with 10-6 record

Scott Mitchell the rest of his career:
54 completion %, 63 TDs, 69 interceptions

Don Majkowski the rest of his career:
53 completion %, 36 TDs, 47 interceptions

SCOTT MITCHELL HAD A BETTER CAREER THAN MAJIK. If you look up one year wonder in the dictionary, Majik's picture is in there.

It's an absolute joke that Majik is in the Packer Hall of Fame.

**HarveyWallbangers** · 05-31-2006, 04:23 PM

BTW, I liked the Majik man just like anybody else when he played, but let's analyze him for what he was. Apparently, extremely overrated among Packer fans.

**Scott Campbell** · 05-31-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by billy_oliver880

Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

he is somebody's defensive coordinator.

I kinda like Glanville, although as a game commentator he was too much.

He is the DC for the University of Hawaii.

Is the head coach at Hawaii June Jones? Is that the June Jones who was his OC at ATL when Brett and Glanville were there?

**billy_oliver880** · 05-31-2006, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Scott Campbell

Originally posted by billy_oliver880

Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

he is somebody's defensive coordinator.

I kinda like Glanville, although as a game commentator he was too much.

He is the DC for the University of Hawaii.

Is the head coach at Hawaii June Jones? Is that the June Jones who was his OC at ATL when Brett and Glanville were there?

You are correct the head coach at the U of H is June Jones. He joined the falcons in '94 as a HC and departed after the '96 season.

**esoxx** · 05-31-2006, 08:47 PM

Majkowski was a dynamic player who was just coming into his prime when he suffered the shoulder injury against the Cardinals. He was never the same after that and it's a shame. But the guy was quite talented pre-injury and had a piss poor O-line, horrible run game and basically one guy to throw to. Majkowski was not like the Dilweg's, Kiel's, Wright's, Cambell's, etc.. that came through, he was actually talented.

If Edgar Bennett is deserving of the Packer HOF, believe me Majkowski certainly is.

**KYPack** · 06-01-2006, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

SCOTT MITCHELL HAD A BETTER CAREER THAN MAJIK. If you look up one year wonder in the dictionary, Majik's picture is in there.

It's an absolute joke that Majik is in the Packer Hall of Fame.

Tons of QB's have better career numbers than Joe Namath.

Lot's of pitchers have better career numbers than Sandy Koufax.

Both of them belong in their respective HOF's regardless of their statistics.

Why? Because they were great players who made a tremendous influence on their game and made a strong connection with the fans.

Scott Mitchell has never been considered for any HOF because he was a bum who had a great year. He isn't in the Detroit Lion Hall of Fame because there is no Detroit Lion Hall of Fame.

Majik is in the Green Bay Packer Hall because he was a great impact on Packer Football and made a true connection with the fans. He also deserved to be inducted.

I'll leave this bump as my final word on the subject.

**gureski** · 06-01-2006, 10:49 AM

I'll go a step further and broach one thing to Harvey...

Harvey..

Are the standards for a Team Hall of Fame different (in your view and opinion) then the standards are for the League Hall of Fame?

That's the question I have for you. If you're bothered by guys getting in with subpar stats then you're obviously placing great emphasis on statistics much like the League Hall of Fame.

For those of us that feel there is a big difference in criteria between the league Hall of Fame and a Team's Hall of Fame we can see that there is room in a Team Hall of Fame for a guy like Majikowski.

Hank Aaron's number is retired for the Milwaukee Brewers. Do you have a problem with that? Afterall, Aaron spent the bulk of his career with the Braves in Milwaukee and Atlanta. He finished his career with the Brewers and didn't do much of anything spectacular. If you go by stats with the Brewers, Aaron shouldn't have his number retired by the Brewers. If you look at other factors, such as Aaron's status in the game and his place in Milwaukee history....it's a no-brainer that his number be up on the wall.

For a team hall of fame you have to look at more then stats. There are many other factors that come into play that would never come into play when considering a player for the league hall of fame.

**HarveyWallbangers** · 06-01-2006, 11:33 AM