The Draft Gurus - Patrick Lee

[Fritz]

Better Patrick than James or Charles.

[Deputy Nutz]

LOL, Nutz flames people for citing other sources of material for draft content but goes and writes an article of the same variety himself.

Partial, you steal other people's material and claim it as your own opinion. That's what you get "flamed" for.

There's a difference between that and digesting multiple sources and combining it with a general knowledge of the game to form your own opinion.

Bullshit. You're an idiot if you think linking to people saying "scouts are saying this".

This is no different. Not at all.

Do you think you actually have any pull on this forum when it comes to football knowledge? Donkey.

Well, we'll see how well you do when your homeboy Timmy T is a 6th round fullback and this Lee character flames out before he ever has his shot to shine.

I didn't even know who the guy was but seeing how open Florida's receivers were all game only to have your franchise #1 guaranteed pick Timmy T not find them speaks volumes.

Sure, whatever.

[SkinBasket]

Bullshit. You're an idiot if you think linking to people saying "scouts are saying this".

You might also be an idiot if you can't complete a sentence that calls someone else an idiot. Charming.

This is no different. Not at all.

I won't start a poll on this one (because I think we all have an idea how that would play out for you), but something tells me our humble associates of Packerrats.com see a difference between what you post and what nutz posts.

[Partial]

Yes, mine are insightful and time has proven them accurate. I'm not saying Nutz doesn't know what he's talking about, but to jump down my throat for doing the same is ridiculous.

It's funny, you have accused me of using one source of content, but the funny thing is just about every scouting report tends to list the same positives and negatives. Hmmm, I wonder why it might seem like a person is using one source then.

With that said, I think Nutz will be dead wrong about this guy, and I doubt he goes in the first 60 picks. My view on this guy is probably more complete than Nutz's and others', but it is still limited.

And BTW, I, unlike you, have to post in between doing tasks rather than neglecting my kids all day and posting on a football forum. I don't have the time to worry about my grammar. Who cares?

[Zool]

Vernand Morrency.

[Partial]

Vernand Morrency.

Too soon to tell. He got hurt. Before that, we heard nothing but good things from him. If Grant can put up the kind of yardage he did, I think it's logical to think Money Morency could do just as well.

[Deputy Nutz]

Yes, mine are insightful and time has proven them accurate. I'm not saying Nutz doesn't know what he's talking about, but to jump down my throat for doing the same is ridiculous.

It's funny, you have accused me of using one source of content, but the funny thing is just about every scouting report tends to list the same positives and negatives. Hmmm, I wonder why it might seem like a person is using one source then.

With that said, I think Nutz will be dead wrong about this guy, and I doubt he goes in the first 60 picks. My view on this guy is probably more complete than Nutz's and others', but it is still limited.

And BTW, I, unlike you, have to post in between doing tasks rather than neglecting my kids all day and posting on a football forum. I don't have the time to worry about my grammar. Who cares?

Same comeback again? You really do have to be more insightful. Besides Skin isn't the one with over 10,000 posts, so who spends more time on an internet forum? who's life is more consumed by an internet forum?

[Deputy Nutz]

Vernand Morrency.

Too soon to tell. He got hurt. Before that, we heard nothing but good things from him. If Grant can put up the kind of yardage he did, I think it's logical to think Money Morency could do just as well.

Um logical? Grant succeeded and Morency was regulated to blocking back.

[texaspackerbacker]

Morency doesn't come close to having the burst at the line and breakaway speed of Grant, even though he weighs 20 or 30 pounds less.

Regarding the subject of this thread, I wouldn't disparage anybody who made the effort to research and write an article without benefit of a paycheck.

I also hadn't heard of Lee, and tend to be turned off by the fact that he didn't start until his senior year. Also, I didn't see any glowing stats about speed or ideal size or whatever.

4 or 5 Corners have been mentioned as worthy of the Packers #1 pick. Cromartie may be long gone, but other than him, either Talib or MIKE JENKINS--my own top choice, other than the slim chance of Cromartie falling that far. Because of the plethora of quality prospects and the fact that the Packers can use (if not strongly need) a future prospect, I expect the Packers to go for whichever of these top 5 or so Corners is available and which Thompson likes best when our pick comes along. As I said, I'm rooting for it to be JENKINS of South Florida.

Getting a future O Tackle prospect seems less likely mainly because there aren't that many who are likely to merit the #30 pick.

[SkinBasket]

Yes, mine are insightful and dumb dumb dumb

Insightful? No. Correct? You'd have to back that up. The "assessments" you don't just pluck from someone else's work consist mainly of "He has the it factor." The golden Partial touch of destiny. Deep. I guess, for me, after your to-the-death assertion that Ike was a top 10 talent it's been hard to take you as more than a crackpot.

you have accused me of using one source of content

No. I've accused you of googling reports, then posting whatever it says as your own thoughts. You know Partial, it's fine to admit that what you know of a player is based of research. You look silly when you claim you've watched a youtube of a player, or a game, and come up with all the same information as the scouts independently and practically verbatim.

My view on this guy is probably more complete than Nutz's and others', but it is still limited.

What view? You watched one game he played in and didn't notice him? Wow. That's some view.

And BTW, I, unlike you, have to post in between doing tasks rather than neglecting my kids all day and posting on a football forum. I don't have the time to worry about my grammar. Who cares?

Yeah. Tasks like building your geek machine and scouting the entire draft crop this year. Your grammar isn't the problem. The fact you can't complete a thought is because no one knows what the fuck you're trying to say.

You know Partial, I don't care that you like to pretend to know everything. I guess it probably makes you feel important and smart. Most of the time I spot one of your opinions on a player, it gives me a chuckle and I move on. But when you start believing your own illusions and belittling the work and knowledge of other posters, that's plain stupid. The only reason I "jumped down your throat" is because you had to go and say something stupid again - namely that someone writing an article based of knowledge and research is no better than you plagiarizing other people's work.

But whatever. I know I'm throwing stones against a brick wall here anyway.

[Partial]

OK Skin, whatever you say. It's just not worth it anymore. I am glad that you're the premiere authority on all things.

[SkinBasket]

OK Skin, whatever you say. It's just not worth it anymore. I am glad that you're the premiere authority on all things.

Hahahaha. I don't think I could pry that title away from you in a thousand years.

[Lurker64]

I like Patrick Lee. I hope we can draft him in the second round. I would not be upset if we drafted him in the first round, he's probably the most physical corner in this draft and I was impressed when I saw him play this year (I watched 5 or 6 Auburn games). The way he gets after people, despite lack of ideal size or straight line speed, reminded me of a younger Al Harris. Is there any chance we can talk more about Patrick Lee and less about Partial?

I really don't want to draft Partial this year, particularly not in the first round. His upside is limited and he just doesn't have that it factor.

[Charles Woodson]

LOL, Nutz flames people for citing other sources of material for draft content but goes and writes an article of the same variety himself.

Partial, you steal other people's material and claim it as your own opinion. That's what you get "flamed" for.

There's a difference between that and digesting multiple sources and combining it with a general knowledge of the game to form your own opinion.

Bullshit. You're an idiot if you think linking to people saying "scouts are saying this".

This is no different. Not at all.

Do you think you actually have any pull on this forum when it comes to football knowledge? Donkey.

Well, we'll see how well you do when your homeboy Timmy T is a 6th round fullback and this Lee character flames out before he ever has his shot to shine.

I didn't even know who the guy was but seeing how open Florida's receivers were all game only to have your franchise #1 guaranteed pick Timmy T not find them speaks volumes.

any type of credibility you had, just left you with that statement, im sorry partial but a quarterback doesn't put up over 3000 yards passing, 32 passing TDs, along with almost 900 rushing yards and 23 TD's, and go on to win the heisman and turn out to be a crappy player...

I am very curious, you feel a need to shoot down Lee as a prospect, is there a reason for this like i mean especially nuts, who i'd take his view on a player in the draft far above yours.

[Joemailman]

The one negative about him (according to the Sporting News) that jumped out at me was that when covering downfield with his back to the QB, he does not show good ball awareness. That would be a problem with the press coverage the Packers use. I wouldn't mind him as a 2nd round pick. I just think a guy like Cason might be a better pick in the 1st round.