TT Supporters

[Chubbyhubby]

Thompsons biggest decisions:

Hawk
Rodgers
Collins
Wahle
Colledge
Jennings
Murphy
Sharper

This is just a quick, off the top of my head list but I see Wahle as the only real mistake. He could have streched a few contracts out to make Wahle fit. Right now Wahles contract looks good, but with him we wouldn't have Hawk and probably at least one or 2 other picks because we were able to trade out of that high second.

Perhaps going 4-12 wasn't so bad after all. Lets face it we were going to rebuild anyway after Favre retires next year. I don't think there was much panic last year. Ted Thompson first year at GM was going to clear house anyway. It worked out good that we were 4-12 so we had high draft picks. Sherman was gone before last year even started. We are in a rebuilding faze. Rodgers will start next year and the team will get better over time.

[Green Bud Packer]

So far I've agreed with most of Thompson's moves at the time they were made. In hindsight some could have been handled better but at the time the move was made i felt it was a good move for the Pack. The Walker situation ,I feel, could have been nipped in the bud but in the long run Rosenhaus didn't get his way and Thompson showed he won't be pushed around. I agree it's too early for a final judgement on Ted although I like what i see so far.

[KYPack]

I still don't know what to think yet. He has done some great things and also some things that I don't agree with.

let the precious small amount of cap space that we did have, slip through the cracks.


Don't like how he seems to have the mentality that guards are easily dispensible.

GBM, The notion that TT lost cap space thru his own non-action isn't true. That rumor was spread by the "Anti-TT" crowd (lead by you know who).

Actually, TT moved 1,737,071 of 05 cap space into 06.

I actually posted this on JSO when Thompson did it, but that was in the middle of the LJ controversy and miseries, so nobody noticed it.

[Guiness]

ok KY - I'm ignorant of how that is done. Can you tell me how you can move cap space forward?

Can it be done so that it is actual cap space, as opposed to pre-paying a bonus to move a cap it forward?

[KYPack]

ok KY - I'm ignorant of how that is done. Can you tell me how you can move cap space forward?

Can it be done so that it is actual cap space, as opposed to pre-paying a bonus to move a cap it forward?

Philly started this a few years back. Actually you do pre-pay (on paper) a bonus to move that amount of cap space into the next year.

In this specific case, in Dec 05 the Pack assigned a NLTBE bonus to Craig Nall

(Not likey he'll earn that one, eh?) for a 1.7 million. This allows them to move the cap space from '05 into '06.

Teams do this all the time to recoup cap space they were going to lose. 18 teams did this last year.

Here's a list of the teams and amounts:

18 teams used the LTBE loophole to push unused cap room
from 2005 into 2006 by adding an unreachable incentive to a player's
contract in December.
Arizona -- Jeremy Bridges $800,000
Atlanta -- Dwayne Blakley $500,000 (also got a $1,000 raise)
Baltimore -- Aaron Elling $750,000
Chicago -- Gabe Reid $600,000
Cleveland -- Ray Mickens $1,570,431 and John Owens $635,000
Detroit -- Jared DeVries $240,000
Green Bay -- Craig Nall $1,600,000
Houston -- Corey Bradford $2,000,000
Jacksonville -- Quinn Gray $2,800,000
Kansas City -- Tony Richardson $3,682,000
Minnesota -- Joseph Echema $1,909,000
New Orleans -- Terrence Melton $1,668,845
NY Giants -- Frank Walker $1,175,000
Oakland -- James Adkisson $571,804
Philadelphia -- Jack Brewer $6,500,000
San Diego -- Reche Caldwell $500,000
St. Louis -- Dwaine Carpenter $2,820,000
Washington -- Rock Cartwright $1,151,425


Nall's amount was off by 100 grand.

You don't want to be on these lists!

[Patler]

ok KY - I'm ignorant of how that is done. Can you tell me how you can move cap space forward?

Can it be done so that it is actual cap space, as opposed to pre-paying a bonus to move a cap it forward?

It is actual cap space. The Packers and many other teams do it this way,

Late December 2005, you have a million left in cap space.

You renegotiate a 2005 contract (GB did it with Nall) to include a performance bonus of one-million in 2005 for performance in 2005 that he will NOT achieve. It has to be something that is defined in the CBA as a "likely to be earned bonus". It then automatically counts against the 2005 cap, "using up" the 2005.

A couple weeks later, when 2005 season ends, the bonus has not been earned. The unearned bonus is then ADDED to the basic cap amount for the team in 2006, increasing it above the standard amount..

[Guiness]

I think I remember going through this before...

Let me try an example, and see if I get it right.

Give Nall a LTBE bonus, that you know he won't get. For instance, Start One Game It would be classified as LTBE by the league, I'm sure.

So, the amount counts against the current year cap. At season's conclusion, he doesn't earn it, so the cap number is 'refunded' to the team in the following year's cap.

Did I get it?

[Green Bud Packer]

Andrew Brandt was with the Pack when Sherman's teams were at the low end of the totem pole of cap space and he's with the team now and the Pack is at the high end of cap room and will be next year also. Chalk one up for Ted's management style. IMO Thompson will be more active in free agency in '07 with fewer holes to fill and a legit shot at an N.F.C. title with B.Favre leading the way again.

[Patler]

I think I remember going through this before...

Let me try an example, and see if I get it right.

Give Nall a LTBE bonus, that you know he won't get. For instance, Start One Game It would be classified as LTBE by the league, I'm sure.

So, the amount counts against the current year cap. At season's conclusion, he doesn't earn it, so the cap number is 'refunded' to the team in the following year's cap.

Did I get it?

Yup, you got it!

[Bretsky]

Are you getting some sensitivity training from 007? She did that for Mad and look how much calmer he is lately. He was telling me in a PM how he cleaned the whole house and took his woman out for dinner, then saying how he could never be the man that he is today without a woman's guidance....

BAHAHAHA... I can't even go on

I AM TRAUMATIZED READING THIS; MAD IS ON A COLLAR TOO ?

[GBRulz]

Thanks for clarifying that, KY. I had never heard of moving cap space forward.

Last year, none of us knew the cap would jump as high as it did. I was hoping that with the little money we had, we could have done something with Kampman LAST year.

Actually guys, it wasn't just anti-TT rumors spread by a particular poster, it was some of our regulars saying the exact same thing. But anyhow, thanks for clarifying that!

[GBRulz]

Are you getting some sensitivity training from 007? She did that for Mad and look how much calmer he is lately. He was telling me in a PM how he cleaned the whole house and took his woman out for dinner, then saying how he could never be the man that he is today without a woman's guidance....

BAHAHAHA... I can't even go on

Ha, shows what you know.

Guys will fake anything to get some. You gullible chicas call it "romance", we men call it "kitty corralling".

Hey, I can put gullible and fake in the same sentence, too