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**b bulldog** · 04-15-2008, 08:57 PM

That would be great imo

**red** · 04-15-2008, 08:59 PM

wouldn't bother me as long as we take a cb in the second

**Gunakor** · 04-15-2008, 11:53 PM

I don't think we are in such dire need of a RB that we'd use a first round pick on one. I also don't think TT would use a first round pick on one after using a second round pick last year on one, and trading away our 6th round pick this year for another one. And resigning Vernon Morency on top of all of it. The stables seem full. I don't see this one happening.

**Bretsky** · 04-15-2008, 11:59 PM

This might be one of those too good to pass up opportunities if Stewart slips to 30....................or

the ideal set of circumstances for TT to make a nice deal trading down with somebody that really likes him.

I'd be a bit surprised if we took Stewart, but I'd be ok with it. I think he can be a very good talent in the NFL and the two headed horse at RB seems to be a more popular concept.

I'm still not completely sold on Jackson, and with the deal Morency signed there is no cap hit if he is cut.

It would surprise me too......but heck.......Harrell did as well

**woodbuck27** · 04-16-2008, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Bretsky

This might be one of those too good to pass up opportunities if Stewart slips to 30....................or

the ideal set of circumstances for TT to make a nice deal trading down with somebody that really likes him.

I'd be a bit surprised if we took Stewart, but I'd be ok with it. I think he can be a very good talent in the NFL and the two headed horse at RB seems to be a more popular concept.

I'm still not completely sold on Jackson, and with the deal Morency signed there is no cap hit if he is cut.

It would surprise me too......but heck.......Harrell did as well

"This might be one of those too good to pass up opportunities if Stewart slips to 30" B.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/top.html

13. Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon

He has to slip? No! Slide a long ways to #30.

Packers Forever!

**woodbuck27** · 04-16-2008, 01:41 AM

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/teamneeds.html#gnb

Cleveland Browns Depth Chart

1. Cornerback: To get Shaun Rogers they had to deal away Leigh Bodden, which left a hole opposite Eric Wright. They like youngsters Brandon McDonald and Daven Holly but are they starting material?

2. Outside Linebacker: Kamerion Wimbley is one of the best pass rushing linebackers in the league but Willie McGinest is nearing the end of the line and it's probably time to start grooming a successor.

3. Running Back: Jamal Lewis was resigned but he is getting older and has a lot of mileage on his tires so they really need to bring in a dependable backup in case anything serious should happen to him.

Dallas Cowboys Depth Chart

1. Cornerback: Jacques Reeves left as a free agent and he wasn't a star that still hurts. At the absolute least Dallas needs an upgrade in the nickel who they can groom to ultimately start in a year or two

2. Wide Receiver: Patrick Crayton emerged and he was locked up long-term but Terrell Owens is getting older and Terry Glenn may be just about finished so they could use a young, speedy deep threat.

3. Running Back: Julius Jones fled as a free agent and Pro Bowler Marion Barber now steps into the starting job but they still have to find someone to compliment him and be the lightning to his thunder.

Detroit Lions Depth Chart

1. Running Back: Kevin Jones was never able to stay healthy and was sent packing which essentially leaves little (Brian Calhoun) or nothing (Aveion Cason) on their roster at the running back position.

2. Offensive Tackle: George Foster was a massive disappointment and things got so bad that Damien Woody, a natural guard / center, was actually seeing action at right tackle by the end of the season.

3. Middle Linebacker: Teddy Lehman never fulfilled his promise and bolted as a free agent so Rod Marinelli is still looking for a speedy, athletic middle 'backer to plug into his "Tampa 2" defensive scheme.

Seattle Seahawks Depth Chart

1. Tight End: Marcus Pollard is a free agent but he was just a stop gap anyway so they will need to bring in someone who can be an effective blocker as well as a dynamic weapon in the passing game.

2. Offensive Line: Right guard Chris Gray is pushing 40-years-old and even though they have recently invested in some youngsters nobody has really stepped up and established themselves just yet.

3. Running Back: Julius Jones is okay but he is not the type of guy who can carry the load and with Shaun Alexander out of the picture it may be time to bring in a true stud and workhorse at the position.

Green Bay Packers Depth Chart

1. Cornerback: Al Harris and Charles Woodson are about as good of a starting combo as there is in the league but there is essentially nothing behind them and that lack of depth is a pretty major issue.

2. Safety: Despite investing a number of draft picks on the position in recent years they still have issues alongside Nick Collins and the fact that Atari Bigby was starting for them in 2007 speaks volumes.

3. Offensive Tackle: Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher aren't getting any younger and there really is not a lot of depth behind them so it may be time for the Cheeseheads to start looking toward the future.

I don't see TT picking a RB in the first round.

PACKERS FOREVER!

**HarveyWallbangers** · 04-16-2008, 01:56 AM

Bigby wasn't that bad. He had some bad games, but overall he was far from a liability. He made plays, and didn't get torched (ala Roman and Manuel) all that much.

**Lurker64** · 04-16-2008, 01:57 AM

I know you're heart's in the right place Woody, but NFLDraftCountdown.com is not the gospel, it's just one guy's opinion. Scott Wright might be more knowledgeable than the average sports fan, but he's just one person and he doesn't know as much about the Packers as some folks here do. I personally find it illuminating to look at a lot of different draft sites and read what they say, though I don't always agree with their take on the Packers.

I have to say that, for example, I disagree with his estimation of our needs. I think Offensive Guard is a much more pressing need for this team than Offensive Tackle (our current starting Guards are a Tackle and a Center). I also think that Defensive End or Tight End is a much more pressing need than Safety, since Atari Bigby is certainly serviceable and Aaron Rouse seemed promising last season. However, we have nothing really behind the starters at DE, Jenkins might be better as a DT, and KGB only has a few years left in him. Also, we have little on the roster at TE behind Lee, since Ryan Krause is nothing special and Tori Humphrey is an oft-injured enigma. At the same time though, I'm sure a lot of people here are convinced that I'm wrong in my estimation of our needs and might come up with a completely different set of the three biggest need positions.

I honestly think that if Stewart is there, Thompson will pull the trigger on him, but it's very unlikely that he's there. He's not averse to taking a quality player that falls to him even though it's not at a need position. That's why we have Aaron Rodgers as our QB after all.

**woodbuck27** · 04-16-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Lurker64

I know you're heart's in the right place Woody, but NFLDraftCountdown.com is not the gospel, it's just one guy's opinion. Scott Wright might be more knowledgeable than the average sports fan, but he's just one person and he doesn't know as much about the Packers as some folks here do. I personally find it illuminating to look at a lot of different draft sites and read what they say, though I don't always agree with their take on the Packers.

I have to say that, for example, I disagree with his estimation of our needs. I think Offensive Guard is a much more pressing need for this team than Offensive Tackle (our current starting Guards are a Tackle and a Center). I also think that Defensive End or Tight End is a much more pressing need than Safety, since Atari Bigby is certainly serviceable and Aaron Rouse seemed promising last season. However, we have nothing really behind the starters at DE, Jenkins might be better as a DT, and KGB only has a few years left in him. Also, we have little on the roster at TE behind Lee, since Ryan Krause is nothing special and Tori Humphrey is an oft-injured enigma. At the same time though, I'm sure a lot of people here are convinced that I'm wrong in my estimation of our needs and might come up with a completely different set of the three biggest need positions.

I honestly think that if Stewart is there, Thompson will pull the trigger on him, but it's very unlikely that he's there. He's not averse to taking a quality player that falls to him even though it's not at a need position. That's why we have Aaron Rodgers as our QB after all.

Lurker64:

I do look at other mocks and sites but for me NFLDraftCountdown works. I'm just confining my thoughts to round 1& 2 picks.

So for a DE.

**14. Derrick Harvey DE Florida

**16. Phillip Merling DE Clemson

** TT won't package picks #30 and #'s 56 and #60 for those fellas. No way Hose.

So he sits on #30 and reaches for a DE. A strong possibility in his personality, or ### he manages to trade down. Someone needs to call him for that to happen.

Like this fella Lurker64? ***

*** 31. Calais Campbell DE Miami (FL)

32. Aqib Talib CB Kansas (I don't like him. TT might?)

33. Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina ( Would TT? Maybe?

)

TT possibly trading down fr. #30 to target:

### 35. Quentin Groves DE Auburn

### 37. Lawrence Jackson DE USC

I believe we're OK at TE, as Lee looked good last season and (Patler may well be right on Humphrey - injury?); so I'm thinking for the first two round picks TT certainly won't go TE. Also this TE class isn"t positioned talent wise to pick at TE early.

See 44. Dustin Keller TE Purdue the top rated TE.

I like Bigby at SS. I'm not high on Nick Collins at FS. So TT may look up at Phillips? Trade up?

There are some attractive choices at OT also in a trade up scenario.Yes I agree we have a more pressing need to pick at offensive guard but TT goes there later in the draft.

Again. See trade up to FS Phillips as a push on Nick Collins. It's an atttractive option for us.

If TT deals at #30 then the likely scenario is at CB, but I see higher risk picking there in the first. I'm with Tarlam! on this draft. Go with the stud by trading up.

Look at the possibilities through trading up Lurker64:

17. Mike Jenkins CB South Florida

18. Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh

19. Kenny Phillips S Miami (FL)

20. Devin Thomas WR Michigan St.

21. Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College

22. Limas Sweed WR Texas

23. Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

24. DeSean Jackson WR California

25. Brian Brohm QB Louisville

I'm not really excited at at what TT will have at #30 Lurker64 (except for) a possible DE.

So let's get real. We are talking TT here, right.

TT is not the type to act aggressively as I've studied him. He loves to trade down. Play the numbers game. Allow for our coaching staff to develop his picks. Be patient.

He's very slow off the mark. I hope he's become a better Poker player styled NFL GM. He knows when to go for it. Not play it too safe.

For this draft I hope he shows me a different TT. I keep hoping.

I want TT to trade up. Package the #30 and one of his second round picks. Land a solid prospect.

OK?

PACKERS FOREVER!

**Guiness** · 04-16-2008, 02:53 AM

It would certainly be interesting if Stewart was still on the board...more interesting though if Cason was still there as well, and this draft has him available at #30 as well.

I know the whole BPA thing, but it certainly seems we have a more pressing need at Nickle than we do at RB, so if two players that grade out near each other are available, I think that would have an impact.

Would Dallas take Jamaal Charles over Stewart?

**woodbuck27** · 04-16-2008, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Bigby wasn't that bad. He had some bad games, but overall he was far from a liability. He made plays, and didn't get torched (ala Roman and Manuel) all that much.

He's a really exciting player Harvey. He overextends himself at times but he'll mature.

At least he's in the game. Nick Collins, Uhhh!!

PACKERS FOREVER.

**The Leaper** · 04-16-2008, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Bigby wasn't that bad. He had some bad games, but overall he was far from a liability. He made plays, and didn't get torched (ala Roman and Manuel) all that much.

I think the notion of taking a safety is in relation to Collins, not Bigby. Collins is nearing the end of his deal, and hasn't exactly proven he is worth keeping long term.

NFL draft countdown apparently doesn't recognize that.

**Packnut** · 04-16-2008, 09:34 AM

Saftey

While I agree with Harv that Bigby is a "step up" from what we had, I still don't think that is saying very much. Yeah, we all love him cause he laid a couple of guys out but he still has little ability in coverage.

When we have Popp, Bigby and Collins on the field, we have 3 guys who have severe difficulty in coverage. It is to big a weakness to hide and I can guarentee that defensive coaches who are gonna play us this season are chomping at the bit to exploit it.

Saftey has been a weakness for how long now? May-be Rouse is the answer. Collins is a bust but I'm sure he'll get another wasted season to prove that wrong. The importance of the saftey position had changed and evolved over the last few seasons.

I sure as hell hope that position is FINALLY addressed early in this draft......

**The Leaper** · 04-16-2008, 09:38 AM

I don't see how only 3 CBs get taken in the 1st round...but I suppose the depth at the position could cause teams to think they can still get something in the 2nd round.

If only 3 CBs are off the board, I would expect that TT would see a lot of value in the CBs still on the board...and would know that many would fly off the board in the 2nd round before his next pick.

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