"DRAFT ONLY PART OF GB'S SUCCESS

[Patler]

I believe that 1-3 round talent, exceeds 5-7 round talent in terms of success in the NFL. In other words in the context were dealing with here. I believe that trading down to lower rounds. Specifically to the rounds 5-7 dilutes a GM's opportunity for success. Unless that GM knows something that the other 31 GM's doesn't.

I believe we are recognizing clearly on this board that Ted Thompson is not the GM Guru that some here once hoped for. He's not the GM of all GM's. Here he sits today with a whack of money too spend ands he sits on it.

I think you have missed a significant aspect of TT's trades in the draft. He has emphasized the accumulation of picks in rounds 2, 3 and 4. In just three drafts he has had 17 picks in rounds 1-4, 14 picks in rounds 2-4. He has improved his chances of finding good players by having more picks within the top 130 or so players each draft.

[mngolf19]

Re: "DRAFT ONLY PART OF GB'S SUCCESS

The 2005 draft was as bad as possible. But the 2006 and 2007 drafts have produced 7 starters and most of the rest get decent playing time.

I apologize in advance, my familiarity with the Vikings is mostly limited to what I saw as their listed depth chart. Which 7 do you consider starters?

No problem, man. I learn more about the Pack this way too.

Starters-Jackson, Cook, Greenway, Griffin, Peterson, Rice, McCauley

Ray Edwards led them in sacks last year even with suspension. He may start this year. Robison looked very good in his playing time last year. Alexander was injured in preseason so who knows. Thigpen would have been #2 this year if he wasn't stolen off the practice squad by KC. The rest contributed last year, even Blue but for another team.

[mngolf19]

Re: "DRAFT ONLY PART OF GB'S SUCCESS

2005
Rnd Name College Note
1 Troy Williamson South Carolina
1 Erasmus James Wisconsin
2 Marcus Johnson Mississippi
3 Dustin Fox Ohio State
4 Ciatrick Fason Florida
6 C.J. Mosley Missouri
7 Adrian Ward Texas-El Paso

2005 - that had to hurt.

The only things gained from this draft. A pick for Williamson (6th), James is still on the roster, Johnson is the backup RT, Bollinger for Mosley. ouch!

[Carolina_Packer]

If you are looking at overall success of building a team, staying cap friendly, and not reaching for talent by leaving success to less chances (less players picked), then you can't really argue with the way TT has gone about his business. The Greg Jennings pickup is a perfect example of how he parlayed that slot into more talent. He could have stayed put and chosen a Chad Jackson, but figured he could trade down and still get Jenning, plus another pick. Smart. They aren't all going to work out, but he gives himself a greater chance to succeed with players by getting more. They are only "shit" if they don't make the team, and he has had more hits than misses, so that says something. If he traded down and the players really sucked and didn't make any impact, then he's not good at finding talent, which I believe he is. Not only that, the coaching staff is good at developing the talent they are given.

[StPaulPackFan]

If you are looking at overall success of building a team, staying cap friendly, and not reaching for talent by leaving success to less chances (less players picked), then you can't really argue with the way TT has gone about his business. The Greg Jennings pickup is a perfect example of how he parlayed that slot into more talent. He could have stayed put and chosen a Chad Jackson, but figured he could trade down and still get Jenning, plus another pick. Smart. They aren't all going to work out, but he gives himself a greater chance to succeed with players by getting more. They are only "shit" if they don't make the team, and he has had more hits than misses, so that says something. If he traded down and the players really sucked and didn't make any impact, then he's not good at finding talent, which I believe he is. Not only that, the coaching staff is good at developing the talent they are given.

I don't like bagging on Sherman because I felt he gave everything he had to the Packers. However, if Sherman had been the GM and had fallen in love with Chad Jackson he probably would have traded up to get him to ensure that he didn't lose out on him. If this had happened the Packers would have a pedestrian Chad Jackson and would have likely given up the 67th pick to move up.

Here is what GB would have given up for a pedestrian Chad Jackson:

NE 52nd - Greg Jennings
GB 67th - Abdul Hodge
NE 75th - Jason Spitz

Different GMs, different styles, different results.

[HarveyWallbangers]

NE 52nd - Greg Jennings
GB 67th - Abdul Hodge
NE 75th - Jason Spitz

Who is this Abdul Hodge guy you speak of?

[StPaulPackFan]

NE 52nd - Greg Jennings
GB 67th - Abdul Hodge
NE 75th - Jason Spitz

Who is this Abdul Hodge guy you speak of?

A guy who has had about as much impact as Chad Jackson.

[Tony Oday]

The only thing I dont like about some of thompsons picks that have worked out it always seems like we could have gotten them a round later...Im not saying he is a bad drafting GM FAR from it.

But what do I know I would send a 3rd for Urlacher and have him start in the iddle for 5 games