2008 OFFICIAL DRAFT THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woodbuck27]

i'm still not convinced those guys would be starters on any other nfl team right now

You don't get to 13-3 by having guys that are the worst in the league at their position.

Yeah, we have weaknesses. Who doesn't? But we don't have any positions that will seriously damage our chances of winning football games.

I would not call Colledge (who was benched a couple times) or Coston (who is often hurt and inconsistent) as established starters

I don't agree with your last premise

I don't think he's saying we have guys who are irreplacable at every position. I think what he's saying is that the Packers are one of hte best teams in the league and don't have to sacrafice quality to desperately fill needs through the draft. I agree with ballhawk. I'm not wowed by about 10 or so starters on our team, but I'm not desperate to replace them either. I'm definitly not convinced our young guys are done growing. Some percieved holes now might not even be holes even without draft picks.

JH we're you disappointed in TT's choiceat WR for his first pick today?

[Charles Woodson]

the thing about the draft that I figured out is, far be it for me to sit here and critique what these paid professionals are doing. They watch more film, and put in more time than I would ever do on my own to scout these players. They must have some understanding with what they are doing. If Thompson honestly thinks that Jordy Nelson is the best player and best overall fit for the Packers then who am I to judge at this juncture? I take it as it comes.

I can stat that I don't really like the Brohm pick because of all the media controversy that is now going to surround the QB position in 2008. We haven't really had that in Green Bay since Favre's early years.

I agree, plus i figure, me bitching about not likeing the pick wont change shit...

[Bretsky]

i'm still not convinced those guys would be starters on any other nfl team right now

You don't get to 13-3 by having guys that are the worst in the league at their position.

Yeah, we have weaknesses. Who doesn't? But we don't have any positions that will seriously damage our chances of winning football games.

I would not call Colledge (who was benched a couple times) or Coston (who is often hurt and inconsistent) as established starters

I don't agree with your last premise

I don't think he's saying we have guys who are irreplacable at every position. I think what he's saying is that the Packers are one of hte best teams in the league and don't have to sacrafice quality to desperately fill needs through the draft. I agree with ballhawk. I'm not wowed by about 10 or so starters on our team, but I'm not desperate to replace them either. I'm definitly not convinced our young guys are done growing. Some percieved holes now might not even be holes even without draft picks.

I wouldn't argue with anything you stated; I wouldn't say we have all established starters either. Some of them either need to improve their quality of play or eventually be replaced.

Is it just me, or does Jordy Nelson sound like Easy Ed McCaffrey ?

It's nuts that Dallas added Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, and Martellus Bennett

[Bretsky]

Rucker too.

To be honest I don't know much about Rucker

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There seems to be a few solid TE's left in Cottham, Finley, and Davis

cottom is interesting

massive guy

6'8 270, can run and block

wow

lots of injuries though

[RashanGary]

50% of this forum was in doom and gloom mode last year saying Safety, WR, FB, RB and TE would be the downfall of Ted. Now it's OG.

TE came out of no where with a hard working guy developing.
S came out of no where with a hard working guy developing.
RB came out of no where with a hard working guy developing on NY's roster and Ted finding him
FB came out of no where with a 6th round pick
WR developed into a strength



Who's to say OG won't develop. Spitz was statistically the 3rd best lineman on our team after Cliffy and Tasch. He was equally strong in the run as in the pass and improved across the board from his numbers last year. He did this while playing LG, RG and C so he had no continuity. Why is it that he sucks? Barbre, Colledge and Coston are far from fully developed. Who knows what will come. The draft isn't over. The needs are far less at this time than the were a year ago and who's to say they are even holes. We won't know that until next season wraps up.

[woodbuck27]

the thing about the draft that I figured out is, far be it for me to sit here and critique what these paid professionals are doing. They watch more film, and put in more time than I would ever do on my own to scout these players. They must have some understanding with what they are doing. If Thompson honestly thinks that Jordy Nelson is the best player and best overall fit for the Packers then who am I to judge at this juncture? I take it as it comes.

I can stat that I don't really like the Brohm pick because of all the media controversy that is now going to surround the QB position in 2008. We haven't really had that in Green Bay since Favre's early years.

I agree, plus i figure, me bitching about not likeing the pick wont change shit...

What's the general cocensus on TT's third pick the CB Patrick Lee at #60?

[Bretsky]

There seems to be a few solid TE's left in Cottham, Finley, and Davis

cottom is interesting

massive guy

6'8 270, can run and block

wow

lots of injuries though

Looks very impressive if he can stay healthy

[RashanGary]

What's the general cocensus on TT's third pick the CB Patrick Lee at #60?

Personality wise, reminds me a lot of Jackson. Sort of mentally slow, but as nice of a guy as you'll ever meet. Great athlete, fits the scheme well.

I wasn't hot on the Jackson pick last year and I'm not hot on this pick this year. Like Jackson he didn't really start in college but we want him to be a starter in the NFL.

He's my least favorite of the picks, but maybe there is a field of thought that says mentally slow guys take time to catch on so even though they bloom late, they might still be really good.

[woodbuck27]

Bretsky wrote:

" There seems to be a few solid TE's left in Cottham, Finley, and Davis "

Of those three:

5. Brad Cottam Tennessee 6-71/2 270 4.63
6. Craig Stevens California 6-31/4 254 4.59
7. Kellen Davis Michigan St. 6-6 262 4.60
8. Martin Rucker Missouri 6-43/4 251 4.71
9. Jermichael Finley Texas 6-4 253 4.82

I like Davis based on below;

Kellen Davis:

Kellen Davis
Height: 6-6 | Weight: 262 | 40-Time: 4.60

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has terrific size and a large frame with room to bulk up further...Understands how to use his body to his advantage...A great natural athlete...Good ball skills...Runs well after the catch...Displays potential as a blocker..Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Doesn't have great timed speed...Soft and is not very physical...Not a great route runner...Questionable instincts...Plays with poor leverage and footwork...Marginal blocker at best...Has some character issues...Has been a bit of an underachiever.

Notes:
Brother Josh Freeman earned a letter in 1995 for the Spartans...Also played some defensive end as a senior and notched 2.0 sacks...Missed some action in '06 after being suspended as the result of an aggravated assault charge...It appears as if the light finally started to come on for him as a senior and he basically doubled his previous career totals...An interesting physical specimen but a boom or bust type.
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Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2004 10 1 29 29.0 0
2005 11 15 122 8.1 2
2006 8 12 125 10.4 1
2007 13 32 513 16.0 6
Totals 42 60 789 13.2 9

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Brad Cottam
Height: 6-71/2 | Weight: 270 | 40-Time: 4.63

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size and a big frame..A very good natural athlete...Real smart and a hard worker with top-notch intangibles...Above average timed speed...Gives good effort as a blocker...Works well in space....Runs decent routes...Has a little upside.

Weaknesses:
Has very little starting experience...Was not overly productive...Needs to play with better leverage..Is not as dominant of a blocker as he should be...Has to be more physical and aggressive....Hands are questionable...Durability might be a concern.

Notes:
Younger brother, Jeff, also plays tight end for the Vols...Missed much of his senior campaign with a wrist injury...Was named Academic All-SEC numerous times...Has the potential to be a nice all-around tight end but thus far he has yet to fulfill that promise...A classic developmental type who could blossom if given an opportunity.
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Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2003 DNP - - - -
2004 13 2 34 17.0 0
2005 11 0 0 0.0 0
2006 13 14 182 13.0 0
2007 5 5 125 25.0 1
Totals 42 21 341 16.2 1

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Jermichael Finley
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 253 | 40-Time: 4.82

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has great height with the frame to get even bigger...Very athletic...Decent timed speed and quickness...Has soft, reliable hands and great ball skills...Good leaping ability and body control...Can do some damage after the catch...Gives pretty good effort as a blocker...Hard worker with terrific intangibles...Still has a ton of upside.

Weaknesses:
Really needs to bulk up and get stronger...Does not display much power...Sub par blocker who doesn't get much of a push...Can improve as a route runner...He isn't fundamentally sound and needs technique work...Doesn't have much experience.

Notes:
Surprise early-entry who came out after his redshirt sophomore season...Caught 4 passes for 149 yards and a touchdown against Oklahoma in 2007...Still raw and is basically a one-dimensional pass catcher right now...Has the physical tools and talent to ultimately be one of the best tight ends to come out of this draft but will require some patience...He'll be chosen based more on potential than production.
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Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2005 DNP - - - -
2006 13 31 372 12.0 3
2007 13 45 575 12.8 2
Totals 26 76 947 12.5 5

[Charles Woodson]

What's the general cocensus on TT's third pick the CB Patrick Lee at #60?

Personality wise, reminds me a lot of Jackson. Sort of mentally slow, but as nice of a guy as you'll ever meet. Great athlete, fits the scheme well.

I wasn't hot on the Jackson pick last year and I'm not hot on this pick this year. Like Jackson he didn't really start in college but we want him to be a starter in the NFL.

He's my least favorite of the picks, but maybe there is a field of thought that says mentally slow guys take time to catch on so even though they bloom late, they might still be really good.

Well apparently, JH knows all, isnt it amazing what 1 or 2 youtube clips will do for you...
Overall i belive its a good fit. I dont know what JH's problem with him is, but he was slated to start his junior year but was injuried. HE started his senior year and played well. hes physical which is good, and i really dont think JH should be calling any player mentally slow, cause i bet he would have a hard time learning that shit.

[Bretsky]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24292722/

[woodbuck27]

What's the general cocensus on TT's third pick the CB Patrick Lee at #60?

Personality wise, reminds me a lot of Jackson. Sort of mentally slow, but as nice of a guy as you'll ever meet. Great athlete, fits the scheme well.

I wasn't hot on the Jackson pick last year and I'm not hot on this pick this year. Like Jackson he didn't really start in college but we want him to be a starter in the NFL.

He's my least favorite of the picks, but maybe there is a field of thought that says mentally slow guys take time to catch on so even though they bloom late, they might still be really good.

Well apparently, JH knows all, isnt it amazing what 1 or 2 youtube clips will do for you...
Overall i belive its a good fit. I dont know what JH's problem with him is, but he was slated to start his junior year but was injuried. HE started his senior year and played well. hes physical which is good, and i really dont think JH should be calling any player mentally slow, cause i bet he would have a hard time learning that shit.

OK

[woodbuck27]

What's the general cocensus on TT's third pick the CB Patrick Lee at #60?

Personality wise, reminds me a lot of Jackson. Sort of mentally slow, but as nice of a guy as you'll ever meet. Great athlete, fits the scheme well.

I wasn't hot on the Jackson pick last year and I'm not hot on this pick this year. Like Jackson he didn't really start in college but we want him to be a starter in the NFL.

He's my least favorite of the picks, but maybe there is a field of thought that says mentally slow guys take time to catch on so even though they bloom late, they might still be really good.

"May have some trouble mastering the complexities of a pro defense early on'. . . Fr NFL DRaft Countdown

Let's lean on the may in . . "may have".

[HarveyWallbangers]

50% of this forum was in doom and gloom mode last year saying Safety, WR, FB, RB and TE would be the downfall of Ted. Now it's OG.

TE came out of no where with a hard working guy developing.
S came out of no where with a hard working guy developing.
RB came out of no where with a hard working guy developing on NY's roster and Ted finding him
FB came out of no where with a 6th round pick
WR developed into a strength

Who's to say OG won't develop.

Good points. This might be the best post you've ever made.