Official 2008 NFL Draft thread Day 2

[digitaldean]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

Too late, Philly took Ike

[SkinBasket]

Iggles take Ike.

I know it's beating a dead horse for me, but that's a dumb fucking pick.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?

[Fosco33]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

Eagles just took him at 131

[Gunakor]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?

Used one to trade back up in the 4th

[Lurker64]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?

We traded away our original fifth to move up in the fourth.

[Rastak]

Eagles do take Ike:


trengths: Uses hands well, does a nice job of rerouting receivers and is at best playing close to the line of scrimmage. Plays with a mean streak, has a strong upper body and is capable of stunning receivers with a violent initial punch. While doesn't have elite athletic ability, is a little underrated in this area and is generally fluid when asked to turn and run with receivers downfield. Reads routes well, is aggressive and isn't afraid to break on the ball. Has adequate ball skills and isn't going to drop many picks he should catch. Tough at the point of attack and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Doesn't shy away from contact and fills hard when reads run. Breaks down in space, wraps up upon contact and is a sound open field tackler. Is tall enough to compete for jump balls and possesses the frame to comfortably add bulk.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed and is going to have a hard time running with NFL receivers when left on an island. While changes directions fairly well doesn't explode out of cuts and has a hard time preventing separation when asked to match up in man coverage. Appears lost in space and is far less effective when giving receivers a cushion. Gets caught gambling at times and isn't fast enough to recover when he gets caught out of position. May be a better fit at safety but he has never played there. Charged along with his brother for residential burglary and criminal trespassing in 2006 and character is somewhat of a concern. Sustained a serious knee injury during workouts in January and is going to miss at least the 2008 season so durability is a substantial concern.

Overall: Wisconsin red-shirted Ikegwuonu in 2004 and he started four of the 13 games he appeared in during the 2005 season. Ikegwuonu started all 13 games of the 2006 season finishing with 41 total tackles including 35 unassisted tackles and 3.5 tackles-for-loss. He also intercepted two passes, broke up 13 passes, forced a fumble and recovered a fumble that year. Ikegwuonu started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 24 total tackles including 19 unassisted tackles. He also intercepted a pass and broke up 15 passes last year. Bottom Line: When healthy, Ikegwuonu is a physical corner who has the size and enough athletic ability to eventually excel for a team that runs primarily cover-2. But blowing out his knee will only raise more questions about his long-term durability, not to mention concerns about him losing a step post-rehab. Before the injury, he projected as a second or third round pick. Now it is likely Ikegwuonu slips to the final couple rounds of the 2008 draft.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Well, I wonder what losing Ahman Green is worth???

A lot more than nothing!

[RashanGary]

Here comes the pick we got for Green - well, that and the cap space used on Chillar and Donald Lee.

[Rastak]

Bills make a fine pick - TE Fine:

Strengths: Hybrid capable of lining up at both the tight end and fullback position. Quick off the ball and able to avoid contact working against press coverage. Does a good job of selling the run and gets into the flats quickly off play action. Smooth, runs clean routes and is at best getting open underneath. Has a wide frame and does a nice job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball. Possesses an understanding of how to attack defenders and set up breaks. Appears to read defenses well and does a nice job of finding open areas working against zone coverage. Gives great effort as an in-line blocker and is relentless once in position. Takes sound angles to blocks, flashes the ability to adjust to the moving target in space and can get into position at the second level. Is as effective lead blocking from the backfield as he is lined up at tight end and is somewhat versatile.

Weaknesses: Lacks top-end speed and isn't going to stretch the middle of the field. Lacks the overall strength to consistently sustain blocks, loses balance at times and is seen on the ground a lot. Does not have great body control and struggles to adjust to passes thrown outside frame.

Overall: Fine signed with Kansas in 2002 but didn't enroll because of an injury. After redshirting the 2003 season, he played in all 35 of the Jayhawks' games (19 starts) over the next three years (2004-06'), collecting 52 receptions for 615 yards (11.8 average) and six touchdowns. Fine played in all 13 games (10 starts) as a senior, hauling in 46 catches for 394 yards (8.6 average) and four touchdowns. He also was a productive contributor on special teams coverage units during his career (11 tackles, 10 assists). Bottom line: Fine is versatile enough to provide depth for a team that likes to use H-Backs but he doesn't have prototypical speed or power so he projects as a seventh round pick.

[red]

at least we have 2 of the next 3 picks

then we can go take a break for a couple hours

[Scott Campbell]

Here comes the pick we got for Green .........

If this guy manages to put his helmet on the right way we'll come out ahead on this deal - given the way Ahman played and was paid last year.

[Rastak]

Ravens take OT Hale:


trengths: Doesn't take many false steps and can get into position quickly. Plays with a mean streak, has a strong punch and flashes the ability to jar defenders at the point of contact. Gets adequate hand placement and sustains blocks once locked on. Takes adequate angles to downfield blocks and, though inconsistent in this area, can cut off linebackers at the second level on inside runs. Shuffles feet well, generally stays balanced and can redirect in pass protection. Keeps head up, shows good awareness and can pick up the blitz. Has adequate size and is tall enough to continue to bulk up.

Weaknesses: Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and doesn't consistently drive defenders off the ball. Takes sound angles to downfield blocks but appears stiff when trying to adjust to moving targets and whiffs at times. While arms are long enough to ride edge rushers past the pocket, lacks elite initial quickness and is going to have problems preventing edge rushers from turning the corner. Doesn't sink hips enough in pass protection and gives too much ground to bull rushers. While had a strong week of practices leading up to the East West Shrine game, played at a small school and there is still some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Hale went on a two-year religious mission before arriving at Weber State in 2004. He played 44 games in four seasons with the Wildcats ('04-'07), closing out his career with 36 consecutive starts dating back to his freshman year. With three games left in his first season ('04), he made the move from right guard to right tackle, where he remained as a fixture in the lineup. Hale was a first team All-America NCAA Division FCS selection as a senior. Hale is a blue-collar player who gives his best effort on every snap and is big enough to develop into a reliable reserve right tackle but he doesn't have ideal initial quickness or agility so he doesn't have a great deal of upside. With that in mind, he projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Too bad TT isn't allowed to trade his next pick.

[Fosco33]

How about Mike Gibson - OT out of Cal.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/mike-gibson?id=820