Jordy Nelson observations

[swede]

Are you not thrilled because of the choice of position? or because of the choice of receiver?

At the time, I had a "who?" moment. I'm okay with the player. I'm okay with the position. I think the guy will be good, but I think his upside might be a little limited.

All right, I've got nothing to back this up. It's just bar stool talk. But I think this kid might be the kind of player that simply makes plays for his team and doesn't cringe or disappear when the big moment comes his way. I saw him run away from Talib--just turned the corner and ran away from him--on that highlight reel. As Larry McCarren said about Jennings, the kid may not be fast, but he's as fast as he needs to be.

Bring on the four receiver sets followed by the two TE sets with Donald Lee and Finley and Grant in the backfield.

Is it September yet?

[Fred's Slacks]

There's been alot of talk about the 40 time.

One thing you'll notice when watching guys run 40's is that a good start can take 2 tenths off your time. The guys who run 4.3s get a quick explosive start and the guys who run 4.5s may get up to the same top end speed but are slower getting out of their stance.

Anyone who's run a stop watch at a track meet with fully automated timing knows that the difference between the hand held and the fully automatic time is usually around 2 tenths of a second. Its the reaction time from when the gun shoots to when you click the button. That's how quick 2 tenths of a second is. It doesn't take much to gain or lose 2 tenths of a second.

Looking at the film it looks like Jordy has plenty of speed. He probably just had slow starts. On Sunday, it won't matter how fast he gets out of a 3 point track stance. I'm not worried about his speed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like the guy, but watch his highlights. He doesn't look really quick--unlike Jennings. More in the mold of James Jones, and that's who I thought of initially. This guy is bigger than Jones and is better after the catch, but I think we need the expectations tempered a little bit.

[Bretsky]

Are you not thrilled because of the choice of position? or because of the choice of receiver?

At the time, I had a "who?" moment. I'm okay with the player. I'm okay with the position. I think the guy will be good, but I think his upside might be a little limited.

Loaded question

Let's say you are TT and decide to draft the WR; which guy would you have taken at 36 ???

[Bretsky]

I like the guy, but watch his highlights. He doesn't look really quick--unlike Jennings. More in the mold of James Jones, and that's who I thought of initially. This guy is bigger than Jones and is better after the catch, but I think we need the expectations tempered a little bit.

No way; this guy was our first pick; Steve Largeant here we come. YAHOOOOO

[RashanGary]

I woiuld have taken Hardy. I loved his redzone dominance. I liked Jordy's senior production before the draft, but after watching his highlights, he's a lot more athletic than I thought he was.

[Lurker64]

Loaded question

Let's say you are TT and decide to draft the WR; which guy would you have taken at 36 ???

Nelson. I'm not sure what "Packer Person" means, exactly, but Jordy is definitely it, whatever it is. He's a gamer, he's a hard worker, and he's incredibly self motivated. I'm not very high on the other guys.

Thomas is really raw and his routes are unpolished (he was off the board anyway). Sweed isn't quick or fast. I wouldn't take DeSean Jackson before the 6th round, he's too fragile for the NFL. Hardy isn't as quick or as physical (but has great size); he's more of an athlete than a football player and that scares me. I don't like Manningham or Kelly at all, and nobody else deserves to be graded anywhere around here.

I'm not real high on this year's group of WRs, but I like Jordy more than the rest.

[Partial]

This kid looks like a star in the making from his highlights. I realize they're highlights for a reason, but his hands look great, and he seems quite skilled at getting separation. He looks fast enough to get the same results against NFL corners.

TT must have really, really, really liked him or he wouldn't have taken him with how stacked the position is. Here's hoping he was right.

[Partial]

Loaded question

Let's say you are TT and decide to draft the WR; which guy would you have taken at 36 ???

Nelson. I'm not sure what "Packer Person" means, exactly, but Jordy is definitely it, whatever it is. He's a gamer, he's a hard worker, and he's incredibly self motivated. I'm not very high on the other guys.

Thomas is really raw and his routes are unpolished (he was off the board anyway). Sweed isn't quick or fast. I wouldn't take DeSean Jackson before the 6th round, he's too fragile for the NFL. Hardy isn't as quick or as physical (but has great size); he's more of an athlete than a football player and that scares me. I don't like Manningham or Kelly at all, and nobody else deserves to be graded anywhere around here.

I'm not real high on this year's group of WRs, but I like Jordy more than the rest.

Since he was drafted?!?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Loaded question

Let's say you are TT and decide to draft the WR; which guy would you have taken at 36 ???

I didn't even study the wideouts, so I won't give an opinion. (Trying to avoid the embrassment of making a Chad Jackson or Robert Meachem endorsement). You and I always love the "little girl with the curl". The big WR with blazing speed. Thompson drafts football players. He's done well doing this at WR. I trust him.

[Lurker64]

Since he was drafted?!?

Before he was drafted I knew I didn't like Thomas, Hardy, or Sweed very much and that I didn't like Jackson, Kelly, or Manningham at all. I didn't (and still don't) think Avery was worth a second round pick, I didn't look much at Nelson but if we eliminate all the rest of those guys, I'm left with Nelson.

But, I didn't really scout WRs much more than to determine "I really don't care for the ones who were top rated by most of the media outlets."

[hurleyfan]

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/04/26/jones-not-thrilled-with-nelson-pick.aspx

Apparantly, James Jones was suprised and not too happy with the Nelson pick.

How about Ruvell martin??? He's still around right?

[Packnut]

Re: Nelson

I can see where those who hav'nt seen him play would make these kinds of comparisons, but they are way off.

He has that extra gear in pads. I saw him him on at least 4 different plays last season be even with the DB when the ball is thrown and then accelerate past him and make the catch. This guy is better than Bowe. Bowe dropped several passes his last year. Nelson has much better hands.

More than that, this guy is a football player. He understands the game which is more than you can say for a lot of other guys coming out.

All this TT praise

What did you do with packnut ??

Just keepin it real my friend! Praise him when he does good and rip him when he screws up..............

[Tarlam!]

Before he was drafted I knew I didn't like (...) Manningham at all.

I wanna go on record predicting this Mannigham dude will rock the NFL. This was a steal for the Giants and he will be the best receiver of this class, just based on what I've read of course,

[Packnut]

Nelson

IMO, the 2 biggest mistakes people make when analyzing a college player are his season stats and his 40 time.

The NFL is full of guys who had bad 40 times and have proven that measuring stick to be pure and total BS. Discussing Nelson's 40 time is a waste of space.

Stats. To many big college programs schedule games against weak teams which go a long way in padding the stats.

My biggest measuring stick for a college player is in using an old baseball analogy- "don't tell me how much you hit, tell me when you hit em". When you apply that to Nelson, you'll see why this guy does'nt need comparisons and why he will be a very good player.

Let's start with KS's first game on the road at then #18 ranked Auburn. I think we can all agree that Auburn is a tough place to start out on the road.
Nelson threw a 21 yd td pass.
He also caught 9 passes for 90 yds

Then against #7 ranked Texas he not only catches 12 for 116 and a td, but also returns a punt 89 yds for the quick 6. That my friends is coming up HUGE when it COUNTS.

Now comes the rilvary game against Kansas. We've all seen the Nelson's "play of the season". Oh by the way- 10 passes caught for 137 yds and a td.

Oklahoma St- 12 for 176 and 3 td's................

Nebraska-9 for a buck twenty five and a td.

Mizzou-8 for 94 and a td

He also does'nt let up against inferior competition. Against Fresno St 15 for 165 and a td.


My point here is the guy shows up when it counts. Going back to the Bowe comparison- if you all remember, I was all over taking Bowe before last season's draft. I can remember a few of you who said Bowe was'nt worthy of being the 16th pick and he would'nt be that good of a pro WR. Well, he was and is and I'll tell you right now, Nelson is better coming out than Bowe was. Bowe had a problem with his hands and being in-consistent. Nelson catches everything he gets his hands on.

The comparison about the SEC being tougher than the Big 12 does'nt quite ring true when it comes to WR's. I mean when you compare conferences, Western Michigan ain't exactly LSU North and jennings is doing ok.

Look, I am the biggest critic of the "draft the best player available garbage". That may work when the team sucks but not when you have specific needs hence my huge dis-agreement with the Harrell pick. Well, you can only play 2 DT's at a time where as the main staple of our passing offense is the 4 and 5 wide sets. Nelson was a need pick imo.

Driver ain't getting any younger. The jury is still out on Jones. The Teddy gamble on K-Rob was a bust and I believe he realizes that hunch did'nt pay off. Martin dropped a huge pass in the Giants game which really took the shine away from his season.

I would view a 4 wide set of Driver, Jennings, Nelson and Jones as un-stop-able. Think about what #04 could have done with that. I'll say this, IF Rodgers fails, it won't be for lack of talent at the wideout position........