Draft Grades

[LL2]

I heard on Mike and Mike, but have not read Peter King's MMQB column where he says regarding the Bears not choosing a QB that it wasn't just curious, it was negligent. Perhaps Angelo knows something the critics don't. If they struggle at QB this year, who will they have to blame? Rex? Orton? Angelo...yes. I'm not saying that a rookie is going to be better, but the draft is about the future, so how's that future at QB looking right now Bears fans? Geez, you could have stolen the kid from KY who ended up going to the Giants. I have no idea if he fits the Bears offense, but come on, do something.

King was basically saying the Bears are stupid, because they haven't drafted a QB in 3 years and continue to put their future in Rexman and Orton. Smart teams always draft QB prospects.

[GrnBay007]

I heard on Mike and Mike, but have not read Peter King's MMQB column where he says regarding the Bears not choosing a QB that it wasn't just curious, it was negligent. Perhaps Angelo knows something the critics don't. If they struggle at QB this year, who will they have to blame? Rex? Orton? Angelo...yes. I'm not saying that a rookie is going to be better, but the draft is about the future, so how's that future at QB looking right now Bears fans? Geez, you could have stolen the kid from KY who ended up going to the Giants. I have no idea if he fits the Bears offense, but come on, do something.

Wonder how all the Bear fans feel about that. Anyone talk to a Bear fan since the draft?

A co-worker Bear fan called me today and was just furious they didn't draft a QB.....and had lots of good things to say about Brohm.

[GrnBay007]

Peter King

(team drafts he didn't like)

1. Chicago. The Bears had 12 draft choices this year. No quarterback picked. Chicago had nine draft choices in 2007. No quarterback picked. Chicago had seven draft choices in 2006. Three years with a quarterback need, 28 draft choices, and never a passer picked. This isn't odd. It's negligent.

The thing that drives me craziest about the draft is when you see a team with talent not doing enough to bolster the most important position on the field, over and over and over again. With Chad Henne, who absolutely should have been a first-rounder, and solid guy Brian Brohm on the board, the Bears passed on both and picked a very productive running back from Tulane, Matt Forte.

There's a slight chance -- maybe 20 or 25 percent, I'd say -- that the Bears have their quarterback of the future on the roster in either Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Maybe. But whether you believe it or not, you have to admit it's silly not to backstop the most important position in sports. What is it about the undying love of Grossman that makes Chicago unable or unwilling to turn the page?

[pack4to84]

I heard on Mike and Mike, but have not read Peter King's MMQB column where he says regarding the Bears not choosing a QB that it wasn't just curious, it was negligent. Perhaps Angelo knows something the critics don't. If they struggle at QB this year, who will they have to blame? Rex? Orton? Angelo...yes. I'm not saying that a rookie is going to be better, but the draft is about the future, so how's that future at QB looking right now Bears fans? Geez, you could have stolen the kid from KY who ended up going to the Giants. I have no idea if he fits the Bears offense, but come on, do something.

Wonder how all the Bear fans feel about that. Anyone talk to a Bear fan since the draft?

A co-worker Bear fan called me today and was just furious they didn't draft a QB.....and had lots of good things to say about Brohm.

The ones I talked to today said they where shocked that the bears didn't draft a QB in the first 3 rd.

[Lurker64]

Rotoworld gives us the second highest grade in the NFC:

Green Bay Packers
Grade: A-

GM Ted Thompson knows what he's doing. The Packers used their usual best-player-available strategy at No. 36 (Jordy Nelson) and No. 56 (Brian Brohm), and came away with a solid cornerback prospect (Auburn's Patrick Lee) at the end of the second round. Porter is experienced in press-man coverage. Third-round TE Jermichael Finley can stretch the field. Jeremy Thompson should replace Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila as a situational pass rusher by 2010. LSU QB Matt Flynn, who the Packers nabbed in round seven, was a worthwhile investment that late with uncertainty at quarterback.

Source

[red]

so, nfl reports that a paper was reporting that chris williams had a serious neck injury and that because of that some teams were taking him off their boards

he did slip, and the bears scarfed him up, he quickly laughed and said there is no problem with his neck

the source of the original story?

the chicago sun times

is this not the biggest pussiest bullshit move you've heard of?

those fucks down there have no class what-so-ever, they'll stoop to any level to try and win

Considering how much time and money NFL teams invest in scouting, I have a hard time believing that a media rumor would have any effect on how teams look at a player at draft time. If a team considering picking him had concerns about a serious injury they could always have their doctors start poking and prodding.

they wouldn't have time to check him out when the "report" claiming he had a serious neck injury came out the morning of the draft

[HarveyWallbangers]

Clifton Brown of Sporting News graded the Packers well:

A-

Packers. Brian Brohm gives the Packers insurance at quarterback if Aaron Rodgers falters. Jordy Nelson is a deep-threat receiver who also returns kicks. They got great value for a team picking near the bottom.

Not sure I like it though. Seems are picks do the best when they are panned. When the experts think we had a good draft, it usually ends up bad, so I'm happy the Packers haven't gotten universal praise.

[oregonpackfan]

Peter King

(team drafts he didn't like)

1. Chicago. The Bears had 12 draft choices this year. No quarterback picked. Chicago had nine draft choices in 2007. No quarterback picked. Chicago had seven draft choices in 2006. Three years with a quarterback need, 28 draft choices, and never a passer picked. This isn't odd. It's negligent.

The thing that drives me craziest about the draft is when you see a team with talent not doing enough to bolster the most important position on the field, over and over and over again. With Chad Henne, who absolutely should have been a first-rounder, and solid guy Brian Brohm on the board, the Bears passed on both and picked a very productive running back from Tulane, Matt Forte.

There's a slight chance -- maybe 20 or 25 percent, I'd say -- that the Bears have their quarterback of the future on the roster in either Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Maybe. But whether you believe it or not, you have to admit it's silly not to backstop the most important position in sports. What is it about the undying love of Grossman that makes Chicago unable or unwilling to turn the page?

I am baffled as well why the Bears haven't picked a QB in the past 3 years given their struggle at that position. Fortunately, that situation has not been, and continues not to be, a problem for the Packers.

Can you imagine the threads on this forum if the Packers were in the same QB situation as the Bears? Heck, I would be one of the posters continually bitchin' and complaining about it!

Let the Bears have this self-destructive problem. They deserve it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Packers draft QBs when they don't appear to need them. The Bears don't draft QBs when they really do need them.

[Freak Out]

The Packers draft QBs when they don't appear to need them. The Bears don't draft QBs when they really do need them.

It amazes me that Bears fans aren't marching on Soldier Field with torches and pitchforks. After the QB debacles of the last few years and they still act like Grossman/Orton will get it done? The Emperor has no clothes.

[hoosier]

It amazes me that Bears fans aren't marching on Soldier Field with torches and pitchforks. After the QB debacles of the last few years and they still act like Grossman/Orton will get it done? The Emperor has no clothes.

We need to put things in historical perspective. The best that Bear fans have seen at QB in the last four decades has been Jim McMahon (not including visiting team QBs). Maybe they have simply become accustomed to mediocrity. But it is kind of remarkable how long the Bears have gone without a quality QB. Is there any other NFL team that has such a long record of futility at that position?

[K-town]

How about Detroit?
Greg Landry was serviceable, but nothing really special.
Fainting Goat Boy Scott Mitchell? Blech.
Jon Kitna, Garcia, Majik at the end of his career, Joey Heatherton...
That's a realllllly crrrrappy QB lineage.

[K-town]

Dang. Forgot about these Detroit QBs:
Milt Plum
Bill Munson
Gary Danielson
Eric Hipple
Mike McMahon
Rodney Peete

Pop Quiz: When did a QB from the Lions last go to a Pro Bowl?
For bonus points, same question for a Bears QB.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Sometimes you just have to consider the circumstances.

I know no one will say the NY Giants had a great draft, but I think they did a lot with what they had to work with. They didn't screw it up.

The Chiefs had a lot to work with and used it well.

The Lions and Dolphins had good drafting position and to some degree squandered it.

Generally, the Packer picks are developmental. They are not yet ready. Finley is typical. They all need at least 2 years to show something. The Packers have the luxury to go for higher potential guys than ready to go players.

Sitton is compensation for Ahman Green who was on the downhill side of a career.

Brohm was the trade for Corey Williams (a 6th round pick).

It is a a bit of a gamble but some of them are going to far exceed expectations. Some will be cut and forgotten soon enough.

The Packers did well with what they had to work with. They missed one or two chances at cornerbacks. One with the trade up(Penn St) and possibly one with the first round trade down.

This won't be a bad draft.

[Zool]

Eric Hipple - Det

Steve Walsh - Chi

What do I win?