Thompson drafts football players

[dissident94]

The thing I like about his drafts is he looks at the player rather than times. Like Jordy Nelson. He makes plays like Jennings. HE may not run the best times but in pads he and on the field he is better than most.
Guys like Vernon Davis who are physical freaks do not always win games. Guys like Jennings do.

[Tarlam!]

Interesting post. I agree with it, to a point.

TT is good at scouting or briefing his scouts. Whatever.

We went 13-3 last year. A lot of luck was there ro help us do that. That first game against Philly, anyone remember?? But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB.

If we win 11 this year, I would say TT rebuilt this team. That's just my opinion.

[packinpatland]

"But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB. "


Yup, he lost that game single-handedly all by himself.......please.

[Packnut]

Championship game

Interesting post. I agree with it, to a point.

TT is good at scouting or briefing his scouts. Whatever.

We went 13-3 last year. A lot of luck was there ro help us do that. That first game against Philly, anyone remember?? But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB.

If we win 11 this year, I would say TT rebuilt this team. That's just my opinion.

"A very cold tired HOF QB".


I guess I saw a little bit more than that.

I saw an in-experienced HC get totally out-coached and out schemed all game long.

I saw our defensive coordinator either un-willing or un-able to adjust to things a freakin blind man could have seen.

I saw the interior of our O-line open ZERO holes for the run game.

[Tarlam!]

"But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB. "


Yup, he lost that game single-handedly all by himself.......please.

Tell ya what, PIP, it was way past midnight here where I was watching it. But the HOFer couldn't get a first down all night. He didn't look like the week before. He looked pretty cold and tired.

Now, I am prepared to admit I am wrong, since I was cold and tired that night.

But if ever we needed a HOF performance from him, it was that night. He didn't produce one, IIRC.

[Tarlam!]

Re: Championship game

I guess I saw a little bit more than that.

I saw an in-experienced HC get totally out-coached and out schemed all game long.

I saw our defensive coordinator either un-willing or un-able to adjust to things a freakin blind man could have seen.

I saw the interior of our O-line open ZERO holes for the run game.

All valid observations. As to the HC being outcoached, well, his "cold and tired" QB had every right to change plays at the line. But he didn't. The week before, he seemed to, at least.

All I'm saying is the BF we saw against the Seahawks didn't turn up against the Giants.

[cheesner]

"But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB. "


Yup, he lost that game single-handedly all by himself.......please.

Tell ya what, PIP, it was way past midnight here where I was watching it. But the HOFer couldn't get a first down all night. He didn't look like the week before. He looked pretty cold and tired.

Now, I am prepared to admit I am wrong, since I was cold and tired that night.

But if ever we needed a HOF performance from him, it was that night. He didn't produce one, IIRC.

Favre did not loose the game all by himself, but he sure didn't do much to help win. When I saw Brett standing there pre-game looking like he did not want to be there, I thought right then, 'Brett is going to play bad and we are going to lose'. Prior to that scene, I was sure the Packers were going to win.

More than ever, the Packers needed an emotional leader to inspire the troops and frankly, Brett didn't have it in him.

Sorry. But that is how I saw it. I am a huge Favre fan, have an autographed football, jersey, my 5 YO has a jersey, but that is the way it is. Or that is the way it was, at least on that day.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Championship game

Interesting post. I agree with it, to a point.

TT is good at scouting or briefing his scouts. Whatever.

We went 13-3 last year. A lot of luck was there ro help us do that. That first game against Philly, anyone remember?? But I saw that same team lose in January with a very cold, tired HOF QB.

If we win 11 this year, I would say TT rebuilt this team. That's just my opinion.

"A very cold tired HOF QB".


I guess I saw a little bit more than that.

I saw an in-experienced HC get totally out-coached and out schemed all game long.

I saw our defensive coordinator either un-willing or un-able to adjust to things a freakin blind man could have seen.

I saw the interior of our O-line open ZERO holes for the run game.

I'm with Tarlam. I saw Brett get badly outplayed by Eli.

[Scott Campbell]

I also saw the Giants D-Line do the same thing to us that they did to John Gruden's team, Jerry Jone's team and Bill Billechek's team.

Those well respected coaches suffered the same fate McCarthy did. We weren't any more out schemed than those elite teams were.

[The Leaper]

Re: Championship game

I'm with Tarlam. I saw Brett get badly outplayed by Eli.

I disagree...at least in terms of "badly outplayed". Eli didn't play that great of a game. He was solid, but he really didn't make many plays himself to win the game. If our defense had made ANY adjustments, we could've made life tougher on him.

Favre tossed a ball right to Martin that he dropped...which potentially could have been a real game changer. Favre made the single best play of the game on a great pass to Driver in difficult passing conditions.

Favre made one horrible toss in OT, and it wound up costing the team dearly. However, I don't think that means he was badly outplayed by Eli. If Eli hadn't had a running game to support him and was forced to carry the load on his own, he would've lost the game as well.

Now, in terms of Favre not having his "A" game...there's no doubt about that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Championship game

I'm with Tarlam. I saw Brett get badly outplayed by Eli.

I disagree...at least in terms of "badly outplayed". Eli didn't play that great of a game. He was solid, but he really didn't make many plays himself to win the game.

Favre tossed a ball right to Martin that he dropped...which potentially could have been a real game changer. Favre made the single best play of the game on a great pass to Driver in difficult passing conditions.

Favre made one horrible toss in OT, and it wound up costing the team dearly. However, I don't think that means he was badly outplayed by Eli. If Eli hadn't had a running game to support him and was forced to carry the load on his own, he would've lost the game as well.

Now, in terms of Favre not having his "A" game...there's no doubt about that.

I hear ya, but it's just woulda, coulda, shoulda. Eli did throw one ball that should have been intercepted, and he threw another ball that was intercepted but was called back on a penalty. Brett threw his first interception when Koren Robinson waved his arms frantically like he was wide open when he wasn't. For a better part of the game, Brett played as well or better than Eli. However, Eli made the plays down the stretch when he had to. Brett didn't. Favre looked and played like he was cold. Eli didn't.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Championship game

I'm with Tarlam. I saw Brett get badly outplayed by Eli.

I disagree...at least in terms of "badly outplayed". Eli didn't play that great of a game. He was solid, but he really didn't make many plays himself to win the game.

Favre tossed a ball right to Martin that he dropped...which potentially could have been a real game changer. Favre made the single best play of the game on a great pass to Driver in difficult passing conditions.

Favre made one horrible toss in OT, and it wound up costing the team dearly. However, I don't think that means he was badly outplayed by Eli. If Eli hadn't had a running game to support him and was forced to carry the load on his own, he would've lost the game as well.

Now, in terms of Favre not having his "A" game...there's no doubt about that.

I hear ya, but it's just woulda, coulda, shoulda. Eli did throw one ball that should have been intercepted, and he threw another ball that was intercepted but was called back on a penalty. Brett threw his first interception when Koren Robinson waved his arms frantically like he was wide open when he wasn't. For a better part of the game, Brett played as well or better than Eli. However, Eli made the plays down the stretch when he had to. Brettdidn't. Favre looked and played like he was cold. Eli didn't.

And oddly, I think Brett was the beneficiary of better pass blocking than Brady would receive 2 weeks later.

[Joemailman]

Favre threw for 230 yards and 2 TD's in regulation in sub-zero temperatures and it wasn't enough. When those kind of numbers aren't enough in that kind of weather, I'd say your real problem is elsewhere. I think the outcome of that game is really why he retired. He gave it is all, and came up short. I think he just felt he had nothing more to give.

Back to the original point of this thread. I think TT values speed (numbers) to a degree, but no more than he does toughness and character. He also looks for guys who fit into what the team is trying to do scheme-wise. For instance, Sporting News had Nelson ranked only 10th among WR"s overall, but had him rated 4th in terms of YAC ability. It's no coincidence that all the WR's TT has drafted are strong in that area, and no surprise that the Packers were the best in the NFL last year in that area.

[Patler]

Favre did not loose the game all by himself, but he sure didn't do much to help win. When I saw Brett standing there pre-game looking like he did not want to be there, I thought right then, 'Brett is going to play bad and we are going to lose'. Prior to that scene, I was sure the Packers were going to win.

More than ever, the Packers needed an emotional leader to inspire the troops and frankly, Brett didn't have it in him.

Sorry. But that is how I saw it. I am a huge Favre fan, have an autographed football, jersey, my 5 YO has a jersey, but that is the way it is. Or that is the way it was, at least on that day.

Yup, exactly the way I saw it, too.

As some of you remember, I predicted right after the season that Favre would retire. To those who watched the game with me, I predicted it that day. It was based on what I saw before and during that game. It appeared like it was the last place he wanted to be, yet it was the NFC Championship game. I think right there he questioned whether he still WANTED to play, even though he still could play.

[Bretsky]

Re: Championship game

I'm with Tarlam. I saw Brett get badly outplayed by Eli.

I disagree...at least in terms of "badly outplayed". Eli didn't play that great of a game. He was solid, but he really didn't make many plays himself to win the game.

Favre tossed a ball right to Martin that he dropped...which potentially could have been a real game changer. Favre made the single best play of the game on a great pass to Driver in difficult passing conditions.

Favre made one horrible toss in OT, and it wound up costing the team dearly. However, I don't think that means he was badly outplayed by Eli. If Eli hadn't had a running game to support him and was forced to carry the load on his own, he would've lost the game as well.

Now, in terms of Favre not having his "A" game...there's no doubt about that.

I hear ya, but it's just woulda, coulda, shoulda. Eli did throw one ball that should have been intercepted, and he threw another ball that was intercepted but was called back on a penalty. Brett threw his first interception when Koren Robinson waved his arms frantically like he was wide open when he wasn't. For a better part of the game, Brett played as well or better than Eli. However, Eli made the plays down the stretch when he had to. Brettdidn't. Favre looked and played like he was cold. Eli didn't.

And oddly, I think Brett was the beneficiary of better pass blocking than Brady would receive 2 weeks later.

It should be noted that New England didn't keep extra blockers in much as Green Bay did. They thought they could block NYG mana de mano. A lot of times we just figured we'd lose that battle so we reverted back to keeping extras in.