If you could have gotten one guy...

[Bretsky]

Mike jenkins for me also. I'm glad we didn't get Flowers. He is small and he isn't very fast. I was really hoping mendenhall was going to drop to us.

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't Flowers 1/2 inch shorter than Jenkins ????

I like Jenkins better too; but it's not like there is much of a difference there

[Bretsky]

Cason sounds like a zone corner. Flowers is short. I'm just glad Bretsky isn't running our draft.

flowers is 1/4 inch shorter then mike jenkins. you never heard anything about jenkins being too short. and he was one whole inch shorter then mckelvin. wanna know how small one inch is? look down

us not getting cason doesn't bother me, because he was gone before #30. flowers was still there. in TT's press conference after the first day, one reporter asked him why he didn't get flowers. tt said they liked him and he was on their board. the guy then asked, where was he on the board? and TT said he would talk about where they had guys rated. he dodged the question

i took from that that flowers was the guy they wanted but they thought they could trade down and still get him. and it backfired. then TT goes on to say that jordy was the guy they wanted all along, probably so it didn't look like he f'ed up.

i don't buy it. I think TT really screwed the pooch with that first pick

All analysis aside, TT has done very very well for the Green Bay Packers; I just can't fall into the mojo that since he's done well so far we don't have the right to criticize or question. Probably why I won't ever make it to the top of corporate America. I can't stop myself from the critical analysis based on the little that I do or do not know.

After Flowers was picked in front of us, I think Jordy might have been the right pick. I was listening and all of Pittsburg was incredibly happy that they got their WR as well. I was a fan of him as well as Hardy. But I think we drafted the lower risk high high character guy and I can't see him being a bust.

I do agree that TT was figuring Flowers would fall, but he made the best of things after he did not.

[3irty1]

Cason sounds like a zone corner. Flowers is short. I'm just glad Bretsky isn't running our draft.

I agree but I think Cason would have been much better than Flowers. Cason seems like the full package and could succeed at what the Packers do. Flowers is Antoine Winfield 2.0. He can tackle but he'll be picked on in coverage.

[twoseven]

Jonathan Stewart then Cason..

..glad JStew went so early, no need to pine over TT not trading up a few spots to get him..Cason was one of several DBs that to me seemed just OK, would rather see us trade picks for a sure thing than go through another Antuan Edwards or Ahmad Carrol experience, so I was pleased to see the trade down..then I was ver happy about the Brohm selection. Couldn't be happier with our round 2, the trade up for he DE (TT knows his defense) and the pick of J.Fin out of TX. Flynn in 7 will turn out to be a steal.

Only thing that makes me nervous is I paid almost no attention to the pre-draft hype this year but still managed to recognize the names of 5 of the guys TT selected. Is this a bad sign?

[vince]

Ray Rice, who was selected one pick before the Packers drafted Brohm in the second.

[Fritz]

Jonathan Stewart then Cason..

..glad JStew went so early, no need to pine over TT not trading up a few spots to get him..Cason was one of several DBs that to me seemed just OK, would rather see us trade picks for a sure thing than go through another Antuan Edwards or Ahmad Carrol experience, so I was pleased to see the trade down..then I was ver happy about the Brohm selection. Couldn't be happier with our round 2, the trade up for he DE (TT knows his defense) and the pick of J.Fin out of TX. Flynn in 7 will turn out to be a steal.

Only thing that makes me nervous is I paid almost no attention to the pre-draft hype this year but still managed to recognize the names of 5 of the guys TT selected. Is this a bad sign?

I had the same experience. In the past, when I've studied draft charts, I didn't recognize many of the guys TT drafted, but this year, when I mostly laid off, I knew Lee, Finley, and Brohm. Kinda spooky. But at least I didn't know Jordy Nelson.

[Joemailman]

TT DID NOT screw the pooch with the pick of Jordy Nelson. He will make you eat your words. Trust me on this.

Flowers is a midget. NO THANKS! Lee was the perfect pick after Cason was gone.

we'll talk after he makes 15-20 catches each of the next 3 years playing behind driver, jennings and jones

I'd be surprised if Nelson is playing behind Jones for very long. Sounds like Jones maybe feels the same way since he voiced some displeasure over the Nelson pick.

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TT DID NOT screw the pooch with the pick of Jordy Nelson. He will make you eat your words. Trust me on this.

Flowers is a midget. NO THANKS! Lee was the perfect pick after Cason was gone.

we'll talk after he makes 15-20 catches each of the next 3 years playing behind driver, jennings and jones

I'd be surprised if Nelson is playing behind Jones for very long. Sounds like Jones maybe feels the same way since he voiced some displeasure over the Nelson pick.

again, why ha jones fallen so far in our minds? is it because nelson was drafted higher up?

jones had a great rookie year aside from his first game with all the fumbles. he put up almost identicle numbers to jennings rookie year.

him and jordy seem almost like the same player

why do people think that nelson is just going to walk in and be better then a good looking jones is? its almost a given on here, and most people on here claim that after only seeing the talib play and nothing more

like i said in another thread. its funny how ALMOST (happy 007) loved jones before the draft and though he was a stud. then the second we take another guy with our first pick, jones became a guy thats, not-so-good, that is probably going to be beat out by a guy that 98% of the people on here have never seen more then one play

mark my words, jones is very motivated now, watch him to take a huge step this year. if we have a qb that can get the ball to the wr's

[The Leaper]

again, why ha jones fallen so far in our minds? is it because nelson was drafted higher up?

jones had a great rookie year aside from his first game with all the fumbles. he put up almost identicle numbers to jennings rookie year.

Jones is a good player. I don't think anyone is claiming he's not any good. It wasn't the fumbles against Chicago that bother me...it is the fact that he mostly disappeared after that Chicago game. He had the big TD against Denver, but that was about it for impact the rest of the season. He only had one more game after that Chicago debacle where he posted at least 4 catches...when he had posted 4 or more catches in each of his first 5 games. That was a discouraging sign IMO.

I'm very happy that we now have 3 young WRs who can really make an impact when Driver goes into decline. I think Thompson has learned from the Walker scenario...as well as a lot of other incidient recently in the NFL with WRs...that it can be tough to keep these guys happy. You can't have too many of them.

[3irty1]

again, why ha jones fallen so far in our minds? is it because nelson was drafted higher up?

jones had a great rookie year aside from his first game with all the fumbles. he put up almost identicle numbers to jennings rookie year.

Jones is a good player. I don't think anyone is claiming he's not any good. It wasn't the fumbles against Chicago that bother me...it is the fact that he mostly disappeared after that Chicago game. He had the big TD against Denver, but that was about it for impact the rest of the season. He only had one more game after that Chicago debacle where he posted at least 4 catches...when he had posted 4 or more catches in each of his first 5 games. That was a discouraging sign IMO.

I'm very happy that we now have 3 young WRs who can really make an impact when Driver goes into decline. I think Thompson has learned from the Walker scenario...as well as a lot of other incidient recently in the NFL with WRs...that it can be tough to keep these guys happy. You can't have too many of them.

I don't really hold those against him. I felt like they were just exceptional plays by Tillman.

[The Leaper]

A lot of it is more about enthusiasm over Nelson than it is discouragement over Jones.

Like Harvey mentioned in another thread...Jones didn't have the WOW factor when you reviewed his highlights that Nelson has. Jones played against crap competition...and played very well...but he didn't have a highlight of him blowing past one of the top CB prospects in the draft...he didn't have 2 punt return TDs...etc, etc.

I'm not convinced Nelson will unseat Jones in 2008. I'm fairly convinced that Nelson will unseat Jones at some point, though.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I wanted Mike Jenkins or Flowers. I didn't care about Flowers being to short because he can just down right play ball.

The chiefs really did have a great draft.....

[3irty1]

Re: If you could have gotten one guy...

Who would it have been? I mean realistically.

I kind of wanted CB Dwight Lowery from San Jose St. He went 113th with a pick that we traded to the Jets!!!

Lowery's 2008 Rookie Stats:

16 GP, 10 GS, 64 Tackles, 54 Solo, 1 Int, 16 PD, 5 FF

[KYPack]

Ah, April of 08.

We were all so young and naive.

And PackerRats was a tighter and more friendly group.

The "Favre Civil War" hadn't started yet.

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brandon flowers

69 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 2 ints, 1 td, in 14 games

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