Packer WR's

[run pMc]

Haven't seen Swain play so I can't say if he's any good or not. Playing well enough to beat NFL veterans is not a given.
IIRC Ruvell was Rodgers's go-to guy when Rodgers ran the scout team. Ruvell doesn't seem to be much of a red-zone weapon which seems odd given his size. KoRo is probably gone. Guys like Francies and Bodiford could beat Swain because they know the offense better.
A rash of WR injuries and those guys are seeing the field. (Heaven forbid DD and GJ go down with injuries.) Unless he's lights-out in camp like GJ was as a rookie, Swain will likely end up on the PS and learn the offense.
If there's a trend to TT's drafting, it's that he drafts for the future and rarely for the upcoming season. Maybe TT is pissed off he lost David Clowney to the Jets. Kidding aside, I think Swain is a pick for the future. Let's hope he turns out better than Cory Rodgers.

[run pMc]

What I want to know is why everyone thinks Robinson is on the bubble?

KoRo is super-talented, but having a bone-on-bone issue in your knee is not a good sign, not to mention his suspension and injury history. His numbers last year were so-so. (see below)

Driver, Jennings, and Jones are the odds on favorite on top three.

It's not unusual for teams to carry a return specialist and Robinson is very good at that.

Agree with these points, although while

Koren returned 25 KOs for 596 yds (23.8 avg)
Tramon Williams returned 30 KOs for 684 yds (22.8 avg). He also returned 6 punts for 118 yds (19.7 avg) and a TD

Koren hasn't returned a punt since 2005, and he caught all of 21 passes last year. My guess is they won't keep Koren for his KO abilities if he doesn't show he's healthy and flash the ability he did 3 years ago for the Vikings. Like many posters, I'm skeptical he will be able to do this. I do wish him luck, though.

The bottom line is that I didn't see much from him that a cheaper, healthier player like Nelson or Williams couldn't do.

[sharpe1027]

Chris Francies is like that ugly guy/girl who keeps hanging around and gets used by the good looking girl/guy in school, but continues to hang around, hoping for a miracle. I feel bad for the guy.

I like the analogy, it made me laugh. Except that that in this case the ugly girl is paying him thousands of dollars just to show up and then over $80,000 for only a few months of work. Poor guy.

[woodbuck27]

No. Having a great, experienced receiver like Driver will be invaluable as Aaron Rodgers makes the transition to starting QB.

Also DD is a Packer from the begining of his solid career. He contributes a lot to the community as well. I want him to retire as a Packer possibly after his extention is over, and if he can still play a vital role in games.

I'd hate to see DD traded for a draft pick (s).

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Maxie the Taxi]

Remember David Clowney? How many after the 07' draft had him sticking with the team? I did.

All bets are off until we see how these guys actually perform in pads under the coaches' scrutiny.

[Bossman641]

What I want to know is why everyone thinks Robinson is on the bubble? I guess I don't see it that way. He is a pretty good receiver who hasn't played a full season for us because of a suspension. Thompson knew that when he brought him in here. I guess I don't see getting rid of a guy who played pretty good for us the small amount of time he was was actually eligible to play.

Driver, Jennings, and Jones are the odds on favorite on top three. We will probably keep 6 or 7 on that list. McCarthy and Thompson have both said that will keep the top 53 football players on the active roster. We learned last year that position doesn't really matter to a point. We may only carry 2 QB's again, that opens up a spot.

It's not unusual for teams to carry a return specialist and Robinson is very good at that. Woodson shouldn't be returning punts because of the lack of depth at his position, he would be hard to replace with our current roster if he got injured.

Most people think Robinson is on the bubble because of his injury. I was hopefult that he would come in this offseason and be explosive. Last year he didn't seem to have the burst that he had before. You could blame that on the fact that he hadn't been able to play, or even practice, in such a long time. The recent news of his bone-on-bone condition makes it less likely that we will see a different Koren.

I hope that he comes in and blows everybody away. You've gotta be proud of the guy for the way he has turned his life around. I'd like nothing more than him to be a big contributor, but I just don't see it happening.

I disagree on some of the comments about Martin. He hasn't made any big jumps, but he has progressed year by year. He's never gonna be a starter, but for a 4-5 guy he is above average. He's also the best downfield blocker the Packers have. I'd say he's a pretty good bet to make the team.

I'm hoping they keep 6. Driver, Jennings, Jones, and Nelson are locks. I'd say Martin has a pretty good chance. After that it should either be Robinson or Bodiford. Haven't they been pretty high on Bodiford's return ability or was that somebody else? If Robinson comes in and shows more then he did last year it's him. How much does Bodiford offer you in the passing game? I don't see them holding on to him just for his return ability. We have plenty of potential returners - Tramon Williams, Blackmon (knock on wood), Robinson.

[oregonpackfan]

It sure is nice to have the "problem" of too many qualified receivers! It was not too long ago the Packers had the opposite problem.

[texaspackerbacker]

Some good points were made in the past few posts.

I really don't expect Driver to be traded. Some people seem to think the Packers are the kind of team that exists to provide that one missing piece to some other championship calibur team. Nope, we ARE the championship calibur team.

KRob could go either way--make that 3 possibilities. He could be done with that knee problem mentioned; Or the injury could be overrated, and he could be ready to play like he did a few years ago; Or maybe he could be the one who gets traded for a worthwhile draft pick.

I'm expecting/hoping that the Packers keep six WRs. Swain could be a throwaway, but knowing Thompson, Swain will probably put up a decent battle with Martin and Robinson for the 5th and hopefully 6th spot.

[DonHutson]

Koren Robinson has had what? Seven years on three teams to turn potential into production. He's never done it. He's had one good year as a kick returner and one good year as a WR.

He was a great athlete at one point, but I see little evidence of that now. He's not the type of cerebral perfect route runner that can play through declining athletic ability. So I don't expect much more from him than what I've seen lately.

I applaud him for his efforts to turn his life around. He's been a solid citizen since coming back. If football provided some of the motivation for that turn around then I'm glad the Packers could provide that. However, this isn't a halfway house or a rehab center (enter Bengals joke here) and if he can't perform he should be gone.

That said, there's no reason to get rid of him now. Let him compete in camp. If he's one of the five best then keep him. But all things being equal, you'd rather keep a younger guy who's best days are ahead of him. I have to figure someone off that list can take his job.

If nothing else Martin seems like a bright guy who busts his ass all the time because he knows he's lucky to be here. His height provides an element that the others are lacking. I can live with him as the #5 again, but he could be in danger as well since he's probably maxed out as a player too.

[Fritz]

To me, the Robinson case is very simple - it's an injury problem. Bone-on-bone knee issues lead to a short career. It's not a question of ability. I'm not down on the guy; it just appears that he's got a career ending injury.

[KYPack]

To me, the Robinson case is very simple - it's an injury problem. Bone-on-bone knee issues lead to a short career. It's not a question of ability. I'm not down on the guy; it just appears that he's got a career ending injury.

When was that article Fritz, I didn't see it?

If it's that serioujs, he's done and will have a knee replacement in 15 - 20 years. It would explain the loss of speed. He was ssslow on that return in the Giant game.

I think MM wants more toys to greatly expand the passing attack.

[packers11]

I think MM wants more toys to greatly expand the passing attack.

He has plenty now...

The "Fab 5" looks better than ever with Nelson in the mix... Hopefully he doesn't use less of it because Favre isn't there; he should have the same confidence in Rodgers as he did in Favre...

[Joemailman]

It sure is nice to have the "problem" of too many qualified receivers! It was not too long ago the Packers had the opposite problem.

I think it's kind of funny that one year after people were slamming TT for not signing Moss, a lot of people were wondering why TT spent his top pick on a WR. Hoe did we go from "Favre needs more weapons" to "Rodgers has tons of weapons" in one year?

[Bretsky]

It sure is nice to have the "problem" of too many qualified receivers! It was not too long ago the Packers had the opposite problem.

I think it's kind of funny that one year after people were slamming TT for not signing Moss, a lot of people were wondering why TT spent his top pick on a WR. Hoe did we go from "Favre needs more weapons" to "Rodgers has tons of weapons" in one year?

I slammed TT for not signing Moss; but I'm perfectly fine with drafting a WR. Ruvell Martin or an injured Koren Robinson or both could be upgraded

It seems that the year Favre retires we may have the strongest group of #1-#5 WR's in the last twenty years.

[MJZiggy]

That's why no one saw Brett's retirement coming.