Who was the best mediocre GB coach?

[jmbarnes101]

I voted for Lindy based almost exclusively on that's when I really started watching the Packers play. I was in 6th grade and I loved Majik. I was extremely sad when I found out he was hurt. I still remember that Bears game with the over-the-line non-call for the TD.

[MJZiggy]

The choice is easy....bullet to my head.

I can't go back to that kind of living.

You don't have to go back to that kind of living. We have M3 now.

By the way, I voted for Bart. I think he'd have gotten a grip on it with just a little more time.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The choice is easy....bullet to my head.

I can't go back to that kind of living.

You don't have to go back to that kind of living. We have M3 now.

By the way, I voted for Bart. I think he'd have gotten a grip on it with just a little more time.

I know, but if we had to..i'd kill myself. Life is tough enough when you live in a cardboard box, anyone one of those would push me over the edge.

Bart: Can't agree. Bart, like a lot of women...was a tease. Seemed like you were getting somewhere...but, it always ended in frustration.

[BF4MVP]

Isn't being the best mediocre coach like being the tallest person at a midget conference?

[LL2]

Isn't being the best mediocre coach like being the tallest person at a midget conference?

[Patler]

By the way, I voted for Bart. I think he'd have gotten a grip on it with just a little more time.

A little MORE time? You ARE kidding I hope, aren't you?

[motife]

By the way, I voted for Bart. I think he'd have gotten a grip on it with just a little more time.

A little MORE time? You ARE kidding I hope, aren't you?

Vince Lombardi 1959-1967 : 9 years, 89-29-4, .754, 6 NFL championship games, 5 wins, playoffs 9-1, 6 division crowns, 2-2nd place, 1-3rd place finish, NFL Hall of Fame, Super Bowl trophy named after him.

Phil Bengston : 1968-1970 : 3 years, 20-21-1,.488. no playoffs, 3 straight 3rds place finishes in NFC Central (it was REALLY the black & blue division those 3 years though. Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago and Minnesota all had championship defenses.)

Dan Devine : 1971-1974 : 4 years, 25-27-4, .481, 0-1 in playoffs with one division crown, 2-3rd. 1-4th place finish.

Bart Starr : 1975-1983 : 9 years (tied with Lombardi), 52-76-3, .406, 1-1 in playoffs, one division crown (strike year), one tie for division crown, 4 times last place, 1- 3rd, 2-2nd place.

Forrest Gregg : 1984-1987 : 4 years, 25-37-1, .403, no playoffs, 2-2nds, 1-3rd, and a 4th place finish.

Lindy Infante : 1988-1991 : 4 years, 24-40-0, .375, no playoffs, 1 tie for first, 1-2nd, 2-4th place finishes.

Mike Holmgren : 1992-1998 : 7 years, 75-37-0, .670, 9-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 win, 3 division crowns, 4-2nd place finishes.

Ray Rhodes, 1999, 1 year, 8-8-0, .500, no playoffs, 3rd place.

Mike Sherman : 2000-2005 : 6 years : 57-39-0, .594, 2-4-0 in playoffs, 3 division crowns, 1-2nd, 1-3rd, 1-last place finish.

Mike McCarthy : 2006-2007 : 2 years*, 21-11-0, .656, 1-1 in playoffs, 1 NFC Charmpionship appearance (loss), 1 divsion crown, 1 -2nd place finish.

[motife]

btw, Mike McCarthy's 2007 team for the only time in all these years 1959-2007, finished as high as 2nd in offensive yards gained, (with the exception of Bart Starr's 1983 team).

Here's one interesting stat, the years GB ranked in the top 5 in opponent points allowed. The 2007 defense ranked 6th in the NFL in points allowed. :

........ Pts allwd
1962 ………… 1
1965 ………… 1
1966 ………… 1
1996 ………… 1
1960 ………… 2
1961 ………… 2
1963 ………… 2
1964 ………… 2
1967 ………… 3
1969 ………… 3
1968 ………… 4
1972 ………… 4
1995 ………… 4
1974 ………… 5
1994 ………… 5
1997 ………… 5
2001 ………… 5

[Carolina_Packer]

Unfortunately, the 1983 team's other side of the ball should have been called the efense, because there was no D.

[Fritz]

That '72 team with Brockington and Lane was one of my favorites - it was when I was becoming old enough to understand more about the game. I thought that defense might carry the team to the Super Bowl. But they had an awful passing game.

Starr's Lynn Dicky team toward the end was fun on offense, but as noted, the defense was non-existent. In the Dallas playoff game, every time the Pack scored, the defense seemed to lay limp and let Dallas go right back down the field. It was deflating.

And though sometimes I fantasize that Starr almost had them there, and only needed a bit more time, I remember how long he was the coach and how terribly mediocre the teams were.

Starr gets my vote, then. He was the most mediocre of them all.

[Patler]

I do think that Starr was a much better coach at the end of his time in GB than at the start, but he had a longer opportunity than anyone could ever hope for. Yes he had to deal with the repercussions of mistakes that were made before him, but he was there for nine seasons, more than enough to get beyond those difficulties. He coached as many years as Lombardi, and more than any other GB HC except Lambeau. Even if you give him 3 or 4 years to learn his craft, he had 5 or 6 years to make something happen. Today, coaches get about 3 years.

[MJZiggy]

Today they might not have hired someone with Starr's resume.

[motife]

Today they might not have hired someone with Starr's resume.

You mean like hiring Favre as Head Coach??

The really, really special thing about Bart Starr is he is simply a ONE of a kind Southern gentleman. I have never met anyone as gracious, kind and honorable throughout his whole life as Bart Starr. (That may have been to his detriment actually, as coach anyway.)

At one point, Starr was writing Brett weekly during the season and calling him. I don't know how long that kept up, but I know Brett appreciated it. Who would not appreciate taking a call with Bart Starr on the other end of the phone for any reason?

Max McGee when doing the radio on WTMJ would call Brett : "Bart Favre". I find myself doing that. They share a legacy, that's for sure.

[Fritz]

And Forrest Gregg was the worst. Hands down. I cringed when I saw they'd hired another Glory-days Packer. One was enough. That sh_t don't work, in my opinion. Not often, anyway.

He was mean and surly and just a lousy coach. Don't know how he got the Bengals to the SB.

[KYPack]

And Forrest Gregg was the worst. Hands down. I cringed when I saw they'd hired another Glory-days Packer. One was enough. That sh_t don't work, in my opinion. Not often, anyway.

He was mean and surly and just a lousy coach. Don't know how he got the Bengals to the SB.

The Bengals had a very talented team and needed the stern hand on the tiller to pilot 'em.

Forrest was a lousy judge of talent and not much of a teacher. He was basically just an autocrat. He was the perfect guy to take over the Bengals and the worst guy to take over the pack. He was the same guy in both places.

One place it clicked, in the other it was a disaster.