ALL PACKER TEAM

[Iron Mike]

I don't care for Dotson, but I can't really think of anybody better at DT.

I can. "Hawg" Hanner.

[The Shadow]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

Name your ALL PACKER TEAM...........IN THEIR PRIME

Each of ours may be reflective of how old we are. Might be interesting. Maybe I missed somebody and you can get me to change my mind ?


BRETT FAVRE- Quarterback--no brainer
AHMAN GREEN- Halfback (my gut tells me Ahman at his prime tops Hornung)
JIM TAYLOR (I think this is a no brainer)
PAUL COFFMAN- Tight End STERLING SHARPE- Would have been one of the greatest ever
DON HUTSON- Would have enjoyed watching him
JAMES LOFTEN (makes the list when the Packers go 3 Wide)
FORREST GREGG- Offensive Tackle
KEN RUETTGERS- Offensive Tackle
FUZZY THURSTON- Offensive Guard
GALE GILLINGHAM - Offensive Guard (strongly considered Mike Wahle here)
JIM RINGO Center


DEFENSE

REGGIE WHITE---Defensive End
WILLIE DAVIS----Defensive End
HENRY JORDAN---Defensive Tackle
SANTANA DOTSON-Defensive Tackle
GILBERT BROWN--Nose Guard (crap I can't think of anybody else)
WILLIE BUCHANAN- Cornerback
HERB ADDERLY----Cornerback
LEROY BUTLER----Safety
WILLIE WOOD----Safety
RAY NITCHKE----Middle Linebacker
FRED CARR -----Linebacker
DAVE ROBINSON--Linebacker

RYAN LONGWELL- Placekicker
CRAIG HENTRICH- Punter

Bart Starr QB- Sorry, boys, Favre at #2, Dickey at #3
Ron Kramer TE

Otherwise, a fairly decent list.

[Tarlam!]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

Bart Starr QB- Sorry, boys, Favre at #2, Dickey at #3

OK, Shadow, what did Starr have that made him better than #4. I just don't buy it. I don't hear people gush over Starr the way they do about Favre.

Tell me different, but tell me.

[Scott Campbell]

I'd give one of Tarlam's nuts to get old game footage from the Lombardi era.

[Tarlam!]

I'd give one of Tarlam's nuts to get old game footage from the Lombardi era.

Oi! I wouldn't!!

[The Shadow]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

Bart Starr QB- Sorry, boys, Favre at #2, Dickey at #3

OK, Shadow, what did Starr have that made him better than #4. I just don't buy it. I don't hear people gush over Starr the way they do about Favre.

Tell me different, but tell me.

Probably because most of us are dead!
Starr had only average physical skills, but he willed himself to greatness. Smartest quarterback I've ever seen play; the true 'coach-on-the-field'. He elevated his game to greatness by becoming the ultimate field general, transcending modest physical gifts. Yes, he had Lombardi's team around him - but you still have to make it happen, and there are countless ways to come up short with a mistake at the wrong time (and I think the career of Favre has made us all painfully aware of that particular fact).
Starr made it happen - 5 championships.
And that is the difference.
Favre was a unique talent, but Starr won the rings.
I am old enough to have closely watched both, and I have always tried to be objective with the 'old era guy vs new era guy' thing. I don't believe every Golden Years Packer was superior to any player since - not for a moment.
But : I happen to be a primary source. I followed them both. If Brett's career performance had surpassed Starr's, I would have gladly welcomed it.
Every (or at least most) Packer fan, I believe, longs for a Green and Gold player to achieve greatness, and surpass all who have gone before - myself included (and Reggie White was an example).
But again, I happen to be a genuine primary source. I was there.
And, in my best objective opinion, Bart Starr was the best Packer quarterback I've yet seen.
If Aaron Rodgers can surpass his achievements, I would have no problem at all welcoming him to my #1 ranking. If Brett had done it, ditto.
If a kid who is now in high school can do it in the coming years, that's great, too.
I have been a diehard Packer fan for a long, long, long time.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

I have been a diehard Packer fan for a long, long, long time.

[The Shadow]

PS : I'm NOT the enemy, boys. We are all Packer fans. I think Favre was a great player.
I am merely defending an honest opinion - even if it is not the most popular these days.

[The Shadow]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

I have been a diehard Packer fan for a long, long, long time.

Grog is MUCH younger than yours truly.

[Tarlam!]

PS : I'm NOT the enemy, boys. We are all Packer fans. I think Favre was a great player.
I am merely defending an honest opinion - even if it is not the most popular these days.

And I hope you weren't offended by my asking, Shadow. I'll be interested to see how "history" judges it.... For now, I only have your word.

[oregonpackfan]

I would make just 2 changes from B's list. I would take Jerry Kramer over Thurston. I would also take Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman. Toss-up between Green and Hornung.

I agree with Joe about Jerry Kramer over Thurston and Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman.

I disagree, however, about the alleged tossup between Green and Hornung. Green had much more speed and power than Hornung.

Hornung had the added advantage of being able to place-kick and performing the halfback option pass well but Green was the better runner, IMO.

[oregonpackfan]

I would make just 2 changes from B's list. I would take Jerry Kramer over Thurston. I would also take Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman. Toss-up between Green and Hornung.

I agree with Joe about Jerry Kramer over Thurston and Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman.

I disagree, however, about the alleged tossup between Green and Hornung. Green had much more speed and power than Hornung.

Hornung had the added advantage of being able to place-kick and performing the halfback option pass well but Green was the better runner, IMO.

[KYPack]

I'm all for putting the old guys on the list. I've defended Hutson as greatest player ever many times.

However, I have too hard a time comparing players I've watched week in and week out against players I've only seen in highlight reels. So my list goes back only as far as my memory - 1979, age five.

First Team:

QB - Brett Favre
RB - Ahman Green
FB - William Henderson

Had no clue you were that young. I love your support of Don Hutson, an all-timer who has been much overlooked by current fans.

FB - William Henderson ???????????????

No Don, Even Bill would admit Jim Taylor is the all-time FB.

All the records and 4 rings. it's Jim, bud.

[Bretsky]

I would make just 2 changes from B's list. I would take Jerry Kramer over Thurston. I would also take Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman. Toss-up between Green and Hornung.

I agree with Joe about Jerry Kramer over Thurston and Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman.

I disagree, however, about the alleged tossup between Green and Hornung. Green had much more speed and power than Hornung.

Hornung had the added advantage of being able to place-kick and performing the halfback option pass well but Green was the better runner, IMO.

I've never heard of Ron Kramer

[oregonpackfan]

I would make just 2 changes from B's list. I would take Jerry Kramer over Thurston. I would also take Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman. Toss-up between Green and Hornung.

I agree with Joe about Jerry Kramer over Thurston and Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman.

I disagree, however, about the alleged tossup between Green and Hornung. Green had much more speed and power than Hornung.

Hornung had the added advantage of being able to place-kick and performing the halfback option pass well but Green was the better runner, IMO.

I've never heard of Ron Kramer

You've never heard of Ron Kramer?! And you call yourself a Packer fan!

Hang your head in shame and turn in your cheesehead!