All-Time Packer "Make You Tear Your Hair Out" Team

[Badgerinmaine]

HONORABLE MENTION GOES TO

FRANKIE NEAL---WR

Anybody ever know what happened to this WR ?

He looked like he had tons of potential his first year and all of a sudden he was out of the league.

Somebody told me he did something bad and ended up in the clinker but I never really verified anything

Couldn't find anything online about where he went, but all the football reference sites say his only NFL action was in '87 for Green Bay.

There is an online letters forum I found on Packers.com interviewing Lee Remmell, and someone asked why he'd been cut. Here's the exchange:

Frankie Neal seemed to have a decent rookie season for the Pack in 1987. Why was he cut the next year? Thanks - John (Superior, WI)

(Remmell) ...On the subject of Frankie Neal, John Dorsey, the Packers' current scouting director and a teammate of Neal in 1987, says of him and the reasons for his termination from the Green Bay roster in 1988, "Frankie Neal had a lot of talent but he was a classic underachiever. He did not have good work habits-and he did not approach the game in a professional manner."

[motife]

here are some of the worst "starting" players of the post Lombardi era, players who were the starters that year :

1970
WR Jack Clancy
TE John Hilton

1971
QB Scott Hunter
WR John Spilis
SS Al Randolph

1972
WR Leland Glass
TE Len Garrett

1973
QB Scott Hunter/Jerry Taggee
WR Barry Smith
WR Jon Staggers
WR Leland Glass

1974
QB Jerry Taggee
WR Barry Smith
WR Jon Staggers

1975 RB Willard Harrell
WR Steve Odom
WR Barry Smith
WR Ken Payne
RG Pat Matson
LLB Gary Weaver
LLB Tom Toner

1976
RB Willard Harrell
RB Barty Smith
RB Eric Torkelson
WR Steve Odom
WR Ken Payne
LLB Gary Weaver
MLB Don Hanson

1977
RB Eric Torkelson
RB Barty Smith
WR Steve Odom
WR Ollie Smith
LG Steve Knutson
LG Dennis Havig
RDE Bob Barber
LLB Tom Toner

1978
FB Barty Smith

1979
RB Eric Torkelson
RB Barty Smith
DT Earl Edwards
DE Bob Barber

1980
LOLB Jim Gueno
LILB Ed ONeil
LILB Kurt Allerman
PK Tom Birney

1981
RB Harlan Huckleby
NT Terry Jones
DE Casey Merrill

1983
DE Byron Braggs
NT Charles Johnson
NT Richard Turner
LILB Randy Scott

1984
DE Donnie Humphrey
LILB Randy Scott
FS Tom Flynn

[Badgerinmaine]

I hadn't remembered Steve Odom or Kenny Payne as being that bad. Then again, maybe thy just looked okay to me because the rest of the team was so awful back then.

[woodbuck27]

Re: All-Time Packer "Make You Tear Your Hair Out"

QB TJ Rubley
RB Darrell Thompson
FB Barty Smith
WR Robert Ferguson
WR Bill Schroeder
TE David Martin
C ??
G Will Whitticker
G Orange Juice Coston
OT Tony Mandarich
OT John Michels
DT Cletidus Hunt,
DT Gabe Wilkins
DE Jamal Reynolds
DE ??

LB Mark D'Onofrio
LB Torrence Marshall
S Marquand Manuel
CB Ahmad Carroll
CB Estus Hood
K Tom Birney
P B.J. Sander

i got one for you,

KGB on running plays and passing plays when he doesn't get the sack. if he doesn't get the sack he's usually miles away from the qb

sure made me pull out my hair

qb- the young brett favre. he could make some great plays, but made he could also drive you insane

Yup Favre was really a head smasher Vs the Boys.

Too many Ohh my GOD!! Noooo's.

Running right . . . side line pass . . . PICK!!

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Cletidus Hunt takes the cake for most frustrating because he really was an up-and-comer his contract year.

That big goon Darrel Washington, the man-mountain defensive tackle who got a lot press and no push should be on the list.

Running backs who are really fast, but not so hot at avoiding tackles are another source of instant hair loss. You want them to break free because you know there'll be a good gain. Darrell Thompson is the prototype. De'Mond Parker, Lashon Johnson. Maybe Bradon Jackson is next in the tradition.

[bobblehead]

OK, I got some good ideas from others, so I'm gonna pair it down to my personal dislikes:

QB: TJ Rubley...just hand the ball off

RB: Eddie Lee Ivory....wish he had stayed healthy
RB: Travis Jervy...I was fooled into thinking he might be special

WR: Robert Ferguson...what happened to him after that one great playoff game.
WR: Javon Walker and his father in law..."He makes favre look good by catching all those jump balls" (he may have been right but some opinions you keep to yourself)

TE: David Martin...this year for sure!!!

T: Mandarich...how can he not be on the list.
T: Ross Verba...I met the guy; grade A ass

G: Will Whitaker...he really didn't belong, but he was a warm body
G: ?
C: ?

S: Collins...sick of hearing about potential, TT has to give up on him.
S: Sharper...A lot of talk, but man he blew more assignments than a vietcong hooker.

CB: Jerry "Toast" Holmes...my lasting image is of him chasing a reciever.
CB: Terell Buckly...you know, the next deion.

LB: Wayne Simmons...A beast who couldn't stay out of Holmgrens doghouse.
LB: Brian Williams...was headed for great things but injuries got him.

DT: Grady Jackson...Stud, wanted respect without actually working hard.
DT: Charles Martin...didn't make me pull my hair out, but needs mention for the McMahon thing.

DE: Joe Johnson...yea, lets sign an aging vet with injury problems
DE: Jamal Reynolds...Another sherman Gem.

Well, thats my list.

[Fritz]

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TE Ben (Hands of) Steele

Steele recovered that one fumble against the purple a couple years ago which was likely responsible for us winning the game. I can't really hate him, he wasn't great but he did at least one great thing.

It's like how I will hate T.J. Rubley forever for his "audible".

Actually Lurker, wasn't that Ferguson?

I vote for John Hadl, though it wasn't his fault. He was laready over the hill, the and Packers basically traded away a half a decade's worth of draft picks to get him.

Antuan/Antwan Edwards - Ron Wolf picked some first round stinkers in his time. Like John Michels, too. And Jamaal Reynolds.

Tony Mandarich has to be on this team. And every defensive player from those early 80's Lynn Dickey teams.

Add Bawoh Jue. Marques Anderson. Ahmad Carroll to the list.

Oh, wait. Just put down "every defensive back ever drafted by Mike Sherman."

[Fritz]

Cletidus Hunt takes the cake for most frustrating because he really was an up-and-comer his contract year.

That big goon Darrel Washington, the man-mountain defensive tackle who got a lot press and no push should be on the list.

Running backs who are really fast, but not so hot at avoiding tackles are another source of instant hair loss. You want them to break free because you know there'll be a good gain. Darrell Thompson is the prototype. De'Mond Parker, Lashon Johnson. Maybe Bradon Jackson is next in the tradition.

Don't forget Travis Jervey, then, Blue Dog.

[Partial]

Neon Mike, the most physically talented corner since Prime Time!!

[NewsBruin]

RB: Travis Jervy...I was fooled into thinking he might be special

Well, we've not have a Packer before or since get in trouble for buying and keeping a lion at his house.

[Scott Campbell]

Look at motiffe's post, and notice how long we stuck with crappy players like Barty Smith back in the day. Maybe that's why Ted likes bringing in so much new talent every year.

[privatepacker]

Wasn't Barty Smith the fullback from Richmond? He got hurt in the all-star game between the rookies and Bears in the pre-season. Healthy, the guy was a beast but I didn't even remember him playing at all after his injury.

[Patler]

Barty Smith is the 18th leading rusher in Packer history, and the #14 Packer running back in combined rushing and receiving yards.

Now to put some perspective in those rankings, he had less than 2,000 career yards rushing and less than 3,000 career yards combined rushing and receiving. Longevity (7 years) can do a lot for your ranking!

[KYPack]

here are some of the worst "starting" players of the post Lombardi era, players who were the starters that year :


1975 RB Willard Harrell
WR Steve Odom
WR Barry Smith
WR Ken Payne
RG Pat Matson
LLB Gary Weaver
LLB Tom Toner

1976
RB Willard Harrell
RB Barty Smith
RB Eric Torkelson
WR Steve Odom
WR Ken Payne
LLB Gary Weaver
MLB Don Hanson

Ken Payne was actually a pretty good hand for a couple years. He was the team's leading receiver for those two years and was a decent player, not a bust, per se.

He was released for "insubordination" in early '77. Starr made a number of very questionable personnel move that year & cutting Ken Payne was one of 'em.

[Joemailman]

HONORABLE MENTION GOES TO

FRANKIE NEAL---WR

Anybody ever know what happened to this WR ?

He looked like he had tons of potential his first year and all of a sudden he was out of the league.

Somebody told me he did something bad and ended up in the clinker but I never really verified anything

My recollection is that he showed up at training camp his 2nd year considerably overweight and was shortly finished.