2005 vs 2008 WR's

[packers11]

2005 : (best 7)

80 Driver
82 Gardner
83 Chatman
81 Thurman

IR : Robert Ferguson, Terrence Murphy, Javon Walker

2008 : (best 7)

80 Driver
85 Jennings
89 Jones
87 Nelson
82 Martin
16 Swain/Bodiford

It blows my mind away that at the end of the 2005 season that such frauds were playing... No wonder why Favre got his head knocked off that season, those receivers are awful... Besides Driver, there was no other WR on that list that should have been on that field (besides Walker )... That season was set up for disaster... There was no depth at all...

Its amazing how a weakness a couple years ago is probably now one of the strongest positions in the league...

[chain_gang]

Re: 2005 vs 2008 WR's

2005 : (best 7)

80 Driver
82 Gardner
83 Chatman
81 Thurman

IR : Robert Ferguson, Terrence Murphy, Javon Walker

2008 : (best 7)

80 Driver
85 Jennings
89 Jones
87 Nelson
82 Martin
16 Swain/Bodiford

It blows my mind away that at the end of the 2005 season that such frauds were playing... No wonder why Favre got his head knocked off that season, those receivers are awful... Besides Driver, there was no other WR on that list that should have been on that field (besides Walker )... That season was set up for disaster... There was no depth at all...

Its amazing how a weakness a couple years ago is probably now one of the strongest positions in the league...

I think this is a bit misleading, due to the fact that your basing Green Bay's 2005 wide receiver depth in the middle/end of the season, and the 2008 depth before a single game, or a TC practice has completed.

Actually the list should look more like this, which still isn't completely accurate due to the fact that in 2005 this was our opening day depth chart.

2005
84 Walker
80 Driver
89 Ferguson
85 Murphy
83 Chatman

2008
80 Driver
85 Jennings
89 Jones
87 Nelson
82 Martin
16 Swain/Bodiford


Now in all honesty they are both pretty comparable depth wise. Walker at the time was coming off a huge season, Murphy was looked at as the potential replacement of Driver or Walker. Much like Jones/Nelson is for Driver down the road. I really liked Green Bay's depth at WR in 2005, especially the top 3, but injuries demolished the Packer's depth. Which made us sign players like Andrae Thurman, Rod Gardner, and made us start players like Ferguson and Chatman(at times).

The point being, right now our depth at WR looks great, but even one injury to a starter, or a starter and a number 3 wr, can turn out WR depth into the 2005 version very quickly.(Hopefully it doesn't happen though)

[Brando19]

Terrence Murphy had potential. I was at the game (@ Carolina, MNF) when he suffered his career ending injury. It was a scary moment.

[red]

way to bring us down

we were high on the 2005 wr group just like we are this one

man that year blew

[gbpackfan]

I'm not sure why Ruvell Martin is ranked below Nelson. How many catches does Nelson have in the NFL? Hmmmm. Oh yeah, none! Here is the real list:

Driver
Jennings
Jones
Martin
Nelson


(I left the rest of the guys off the list because they will be cut. No point in adding players to the list that won't be around in Sept.)

[Bretsky]

I'm not sure why Ruvell Martin is ranked below Nelson. How many catches does Nelson have in the NFL? Hmmmm. Oh yeah, none! Here is the real list:

Driver
Jennings
Jones
Martin
Nelson


(I left the rest of the guys off the list because they will be cut. No point in adding players to the list that won't be around in Sept.)

After Ruvell dropped that pass at the Giants 10 yard line on 3rd down we threw him back in the crapper

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wouldn't say Ruvell has bad hands, and drops are going to happen. He's a solid backup receiver who gives the team something other guys don't (height). He's made some big plays the last two years. The catch on Winfield vs. Minnesota in 2006, and big games in both games against the Vikes in 2007. He's a Vikes killer. We should keep him just for that.


We have enough young prospects. It's good to have a backup that you can rely on. It's going to be the top 5 + Swain if he proves he's worth keeping. Our WR group is outstanding.

[RashanGary]

I'm not a very big Ruvell Martin fan. I'm hoping Swain, Bodiford or someone else beats him out.

[gbpackfan]

I'm not a very big Ruvell Martin fan. I'm hoping Swain, Bodiford or someone else beats him out.

Prediction:

Swain = Practice Squad
Bodiford = Cut

The Pack will probably go into the season 5 deep at WR.

[RashanGary]

To me Martin is the worst kind of #5 WR you can have. He's never going to develop into anything more and he can't play ST's. I'd rather have a guy who plays ST's or has upside or both (peferably). Cole falls into that same category.


When you don't have a very deep or strong roster it's nice to have consistant, slightly below average guys around. When you have a deep roster, I'd rather see those last spots used to develop guys or kick ass on ST's. I'm hoping we can do better than Martin and Cole. I don't like either although they are OK in a pinch.

[Bretsky]

To me Martin is the worst kind of #5 WR you can have. He's never going to develop into anything more and he can't play ST's. I'd rather have a guy who plays ST's or has upside or both (peferably). Cole falls into that same category.


When you don't have a very deep or strong roster it's nice to have consistant, slightly below average guys around. When you have a deep roster, I'd rather see those last spots used to develop guys or kick ass on ST's. I'm hoping we can do better than Martin and Cole. I don't like either although they are OK in a pinch.

Completely agree with this

[HarveyWallbangers]

We have enough guys to develop. If one of our starters goes down, I'd like to have a veteran that you know can get the job done. We don't know if Nelson and Swain can. I'd rather not have our 4th AND 5th receivers be rookies--with no veteran to supplement them. The 5th WR often plays a lot.

[Bretsky]

We have enough guys to develop. If one of our starters goes down, I'd like to have a veteran that you know can get the job done. We don't know if Nelson and Swain can. I'd rather not have our 4th AND 5th receivers be rookies--with no veteran to supplement them. The 5th WR often plays a lot.

Gosh I'd sure as h@ll hope that Jordy Nelson is better then Ruvell Martin even in the short term. I'd expect a high 2nd round pick to be better than last year's #4/#5 WR...which were pretty much interchangeable.

[Brohm]

With the improved qualty depth at TE, I could see Finely stepping into the "big WR" role that Martin now has in the Fab 5, leaving the 5th WR slot open for a more developmental/ST playing prospect. Definatley would bring some mismatch problems and give Finely more PT. Will be interesting to see what new wrinkles there are in TC.

Would be 5 WR and 3 TE this year (with Humphery) as opposed to the 6 and 2 we had last year.

[RashanGary]

There are definitly worse things than having Ruvell Martin as your #5 reciever (like having Ahmad Carrol as your starting corner back). He's our #5 WR and he's probably a better starting WR than Robert Thomas was a starting LB or Hardy Nickerson (when we had him washed up) or Cletidus Hunt, Ahmad Carrol, Mark Roman, Will Henderson (at the end), Samkon Gado, Antonio Chatman or David Martin. Obviously the roster problems today pale in comparsion to the roster problems just a couple years ago.

I don't think you just can him because he sucks (he doesn't suck). I think you replace him IF something nearly equal but younger or nearly equal but better on ST's comes along.