How many TD's does Arod throw in 2008?

[RashanGary]

hahahaha. .. .. You're an idiot, Lurker. A true idiot. I tried to be a homer. I tried to keep it together but Favre retiring has pushed me over a cliff. I thought - you know what, if the Packers just keep making good decisiosn and they keep stacking good decisions on top of good decsisions that good things would eventually come. I thought if they avoid making costly mistakes by pressing and instead focus on taking advantage of opportunity as it arises that they might be able to do something truely special by fitting more talent under the cap than any other team.

You know what though? That is not reality. The reality is that this team sucks and Brett Favre was the only reason they won games. The reality is that they don't have an OL, a FB, one good safety let alone two, they have Popping and Chillar at LB. They have WR's created by Favre. They have aging OL and CB's. They traded away their best DT for a stupid draft pick that won't do anything this year. They got another 10 picks - whoopity do. I tried to be optimistic and think maybe they can bring 10 in and in the competitive environment of TC they could let teh cream rise to the top but you know what? None of that works. Ron Wolf made bold moves and Brett Favre is Brett Favre. Nuff said. How many SB's did we win in the last 30 years? 1, right? Doesn't it make sense to use what got us there as the only evidence of what to expect. Isn't that logical and reasonable? Sorry for calling you and idiot, but you are.

[RashanGary]

If you were to go shopping for a car, do you really think the best thing to do is keep an open mind and be a little patient, or do you think going out and getting what you want is best?

Just go to your favorite car dealership and buy what you want, right? Then you have the car you've always wanted.

You can sit and look in the paper day after day. You can wait until demand is down on certain model or certain time of year (like when people tend to be broke in December and January). But what good would that do. You're still driving the car you really don't like for a couple more months. Patience and value concious is for losers driving 99 Accords. They might be more prepared for a rich and secure retirement and they might have more real wealth accrued, but the mark of a real winner in life is not driving that 99 Accord any longer tahn you absolutely have to.

Brett Favre, Ron Wolf. Bold moves. Greatest ever. You get what you pay for. Value is not a real concept. What more can I say? What more do you have to hear?

[Lurker64]

The WR's on this team couldn't start for another team in the league.

I'm just going to keep pointing to this. Next I will point to the Bears, the Vikings, the Chiefs, the Jets, the 49ers, the Falcons, the Titans, and probably 10-15 other teams that I don't really care to scout right now.

Go outside and take a walk if you honestly believe a damn thing you're saying. Think about something other than football for a while.

[MJZiggy]

If you were to go shopping for a car, do you really think the best thing to do is keep an open mind and be a little patient, or do you think going out and getting what you want is best?

Just go to your favorite car dealership and buy what you want, right? Then you have the car you've always wanted.

You can sit and look in the paper day after day. You can wait until demand is down on certain model or certain time of year (like when people tend to be broke in December and January). But what good would that do. You're still driving the car you really don't like for a couple more months. Patience and value concious is for losers driving 99 Accords. They might be more prepared for a rich and secure retirement and they might have more real wealth accrued, but the mark of a real winner in life is not driving that 99 Accord any longer tahn you absolutely have to.

Brett Favre, Ron Wolf. Bold moves. Greatest ever. You get what you pay for. Value is not a real concept. What more can I say? What more do you have to hear?

Careful which car you buy there, JH, a lot of those fancy ones tend to break down...and if you suggest again that Donald Driver and Greg Jennings are not phenomenal wide receivers, then you will have completely convinced me that you don't know squat.

[texaspackerbacker]

Justin, I've seen a lot of very good sensible posts from you, but you have suddenly and without warning, gone off the deep end here.

It's no disrespect at all to Brett Favre to acknowledge the quality of a helluva lot of other players.

Football is NOT a game of playmakers/superstars. It is a team game generally won by the team that is the most solid overall and makes the least mistakes. The Packers have ALL the pieces to be exactly that, with the possible exception of QB. If Rodgers can be adequate--not necessarily a big time playmaker, but just not a game changer in the wrong direction, the Packers should be right there with as good or better a record as last year--barring bad luck with injuries, etc.

[Zool]

I tried to keep it together but Favre retiring has pushed me over a cliff.

Well stop fucking holding on then. Just let go man. Save us all the trouble of actually thinking you might post something serious. These fake angry threads get really old.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I tried to keep it together but Favre retiring has pushed me over a cliff.

Well stop fucking holding on then. Just let go man. Save us all the trouble of actually thinking you might post something serious. These fake angry threads get really old.

Give him credit. He has both Tennessee PB and Texas PB going. Man, I love the South.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I tried to keep it together but Favre retiring has pushed me over a cliff.

Well stop fucking holding on then. Just let go man. Save us all the trouble of actually thinking you might post something serious. These fake angry threads get really old.

Give him credit. He has both Tennessee PB and Texas PB going. Man, I love the South.

you should, we still dominate college football

[Lurker64]

And not only did Favre carry the offense on his back, but he also carried teh ST's and defense on his back too. Without Favre's great example of acctually showing up for most of the minicamps and TC (while collecting his 10 millino dollar pay check and proving football is ususally really important to him), what do you thinkt he defense and STers would have done? Without Favre I don't think we have a leader or a hard worker on this team. They'll collapse when his leadership is void. Also, during the game, the defense and ST's would just fold if not for Favre standing there on the sidelines using the force to improve their play. ALSO, Favre single handedly willed an offense of misfits to play great so the defense wasn't as tired and the ST's was always in good position.

Also, there is no sensible person who, while sober and of sound mind and body, could honestly believe any of this. This is possibly the most laughable thing I have ever heard on the internet.

The guys on Defense and STs played hard because Favre was standing there watching them? Really?

[woodbuck27]

Ummm. . . . What are you talking about, Bretsky? The WR's on this team couldn't start for another team in the league. Without Brett Favre, they don't have a chance. The OL is probably the worst in the NFL. TT completely passed over the good guards in favor of the junk already on our roster. We're pretty much screwed. The Tackles are older. The TE position is Lee and some rookie. The backup RB position is junk. WE don't have a FB. If not for Favre last year, this offense is probably the worst in the NFL, but Favre willed the team to TD's and victories. He carried the team on his back. Without Favre, the offense will fall apart. Rodgers will be killed. The WR's will look pedestrian (what they really are without Favre). The TE's are just junk and the RB core after Grant is shit. We don't even have one NFL FB. Ted Thompson has'nt spent a penny. We're paying less for our roster than just about any team in the league. How do we even expect a 1st year starter to come close to the numbers Favre put up. Rodgers doens't know the offense and he can't read defenses. The whole thing is pretty much doomed.

Rodgers TD expectation should start at 12 (half of what the greatest ever does) and his yards expectation in year 1 should start at 1,500. There is just no way this offense moves anywhere without Favre. If the greatest ever is really just replacable, it sure makes me wonder about what the greatest ever means.

Is that reallly YOU JH?

[woodbuck27]

And not only did Favre carry the offense on his back, but he also carried teh ST's and defense on his back too. Without Favre's great example of acctually showing up for most of the minicamps and TC (while collecting his 10 millino dollar pay check and proving football is ususally really important to him), what do you thinkt he defense and STers would have done? Without Favre I don't think we have a leader or a hard worker on this team. They'll collapse when his leadership is void. Also, during the game, the defense and ST's would just fold if not for Favre standing there on the sidelines using the force to improve their play. ALSO, Favre single handedly willed an offense of misfits to play great so the defense wasn't as tired and the ST's was always in good position.

Also, there is no sensible person who, while sober and of sound mind and body, could honestly believe any of this. This is possibly the most laughable thing I have ever heard on the internet.

The guys on Defense and STs played hard because Favre was standing there watching them? Really?

Favre's mystical, a Legend and a Sage who's mere thoughts inspire positive results. We are doomed without his uncommon leadership. jk

Why won't he come back to Wisconsin?

I actually had a dream last night of the first TD pass of next season going to Donald Driver. I looked back to the line of scrimmage and there stood jumping in the air not Favre but AARON RODGERS.

I suddenly awoke staring at the ceiling.Damn it. . . Favre's gone.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[woodbuck27]

I'm the fella that voted 11-15 TD's and that's a stretch. I don't see Aaron Rodgers playing all 16 games in 2008.

We're all about to really see just how tough Favre really was/is as an NFL QB.

I hope I'm wrong and Aaron does prove to be durable but nothing I've seen of him to date supports that prediction. If praying for him brings good karma at least I can pray.

This season will be very interesting.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[RashanGary]

WOODBUCK



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[3irty1]

Favre said this is the most talented roster he's ever played with. Are you calling Brett Favre a liar?

Nah but really even if you were right, McCarthy is still the most important guy in the stadium and he's got enough to win games. Plus Arod has some ability as shown in the Dallas game where he out preformed Favre in a big game.

The WR are clearly an area of strength and if anything I would say that they are underrated however I will agree with you that Favre did make the OL look good in pass protection. We had the benefit of the fastest release in the league and a legend at the controls of the offense to make quick decisions. But I think the OL made great strides last year and should continue to get better this year while playing together.

Probably the most outrageous thing you said is that Favre carried the defense and special teams by example of hard work and his unbelievable leadership. Brett Favre was a lot of things but for the majority of the career I'm not sure hard working was one of them. In recent years he's stepped up and done his homework and become more of a student of the game than he ever was before. The hard workers on our team are the guys like Donald Driver, Aaron Kampman, and Al Harris. They all became physical specimens thanks to hard work and molded themselves into what they are thanks to perfecting their respective crafts and leaving everything on the field week in and week out. Don't tell me we don't have any leaders.

[Bretsky]

It's good that JH has finally realized that Ron Wolf is the king of kings