Harrell out

[HarveyWallbangers]

Woodson and Harris are absent from the OTA. Harrell had "minor back surgery" early in the offseason. For what it's worth, McCarthy said he's doing fine and that the Packers are being cautious. Barbre opened camp as the starter at LG.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/05/21/woodson-harris-absent-at-start-of-otas.aspx

[Fritz]

When your a first round pick and you can barely get through the Dline drills, that was when my red flag went up.

My dog's red flag went up when I told him about Harrell not being available. His red flag went up when I told him the next day that Noah Herron was available. His red flag goes up when somebody pets him.

I think the Bulldog's red flag, being that he is a dog and all, may be prone to going up a lot. This makes him neither wrong nor right. It's just part of his nature.

[b bulldog]

Show me where Brett in school had a history of drinking problems or injury to cause concern as Harrell does with motivation and injury

[sharpe1027]

Show me where Brett in school had a history of drinking problems or injury to cause concern as Harrell does with motivation and injury

Since when does a bicep tear make someone more likely to have a back injury?

Motivation problems? : His biceps tendon was torn from the entry point in his upper arm. The injury required surgery, however Harrell played the next game against the Florida Gators before having the required surgery.

Honestly.

[Bretsky]

Woodson and Harris are absent from the OTA. Harrell had "minor back surgery" early in the offseason. For what it's worth, McCarthy said he's doing fine and that the Packers are being cautious. Barbre opened camp as the starter at LG.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/ar...t-of-otas.aspx

Didn't McCarthy say Marvel Underwood was way ahead of schedule and looking well also ?

[RashanGary]

I was concerned with Jennings injuries last year. He went from ankle his rookie season to hip flexor to hammy, then he finially made it the rest of the way.


Harrell concerns me more because his game depends a lot on strength and I can't imagine he's building too much of it with a bad back. With him missing another important stretch of the off season, I don't expect him to explode this year. I can see him making small improvment from below average to average. Had he been healthy, maybe he could have taken the bigger jump but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. I'm disappointed.

[Bretsky]

I was concerned with Jennings injuries last year. He went from ankle his rookie season to hip flexor to hammy, then he finially made it the rest of the way.


Harrell concerns me more because his game depends a lot on strength and I can't imagine he's building too much of it with a bad back. With him missing another important stretch of the off season, I don't expect him to explode this year. I can see him making small improvment from below average to average. Had he been healthy, maybe he could have taken the bigger jump but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. I'm disappointed.

It's just OTA

If he shows signs of being less than 100% come training camp then I'll be very disappointed

[Patler]

I was concerned with Jennings injuries last year. He went from ankle his rookie season to hip flexor to hammy, then he finially made it the rest of the way.


Harrell concerns me more because his game depends a lot on strength and I can't imagine he's building too much of it with a bad back. With him missing another important stretch of the off season, I don't expect him to explode this year. I can see him making small improvment from below average to average. Had he been healthy, maybe he could have taken the bigger jump but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. I'm disappointed.

It's just OTA

If he shows signs of being less than 100% come training camp then I'll be very disappointed

Except that right now, and for the last couple months is the exact time that he should be building strength and power in the weight room. They take some time off after the season to allow their bodies to recuperate, then use the spring and early summer to work in the weight room with specific goals for increases. If Harrell had back surgery a while back, it seems that he will miss most of the off season strength building program.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I was concerned with Jennings injuries last year. He went from ankle his rookie season to hip flexor to hammy, then he finially made it the rest of the way.


Harrell concerns me more because his game depends a lot on strength and I can't imagine he's building too much of it with a bad back. With him missing another important stretch of the off season, I don't expect him to explode this year. I can see him making small improvment from below average to average. Had he been healthy, maybe he could have taken the bigger jump but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. I'm disappointed.

It's just OTA

If he shows signs of being less than 100% come training camp then I'll be very disappointed

Except that right now, and for the last couple months is the exact time that he should be building strength and power in the weight room. They take some time off after the season to allow their bodies to recuperate, then use the spring and early summer to work in the weight room with specific goals for increases. If Harrell had back surgery a while back, it seems that he will miss most of the off season strength building program.

Injured lifting weights. Let'ts go back to the days when year round training wasn't the norm.

He had MINOR back surgery..on a disc. Let's not blow this up into a major issue.

[Patler]

Well, apparently justin doesn't follow the patlet offseason has he was injured lifting weights.

He had MINOR back surgery..on a disc. Let's not blow this up into a major issue.

He was following it exactly, you seemed to miss what I said. He apparently hurt himself already over a month ago. Probably at the early weight room sessions. They usually start in about March. If he had back surgery he has been limited ever since then, and apparently is limited now and will be until sometime in the future.

It's not a big deal by any means, but no matter how you look at it he will miss or be limited for most of the off-season weight program this year, too; just like last year.

[Patler]

For those interested:

by Mike Spofford, Packers.com
posted 03/13/2008
....
First- and second-year players begin their offseason workouts on Monday, followed by veteran players two weeks later, on March 31.

The offseason program is a time during which players combine strength and conditioning workouts with one-on-one instructional time with their position coaches, and for one of the youngest teams in the NFL, the strides made a year ago during this time paid significant dividends.

Looks like Harrell may have been injured in the early weeks of the program.

[MadtownPacker]

It's not a big deal by any means, but no matter how you look at it he will miss or be limited for most of the off-season weight program this year, too; just like last year.

There it is right there!

Only difference is no CWilliams to depend on. TT has to be sweating this one now.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Well, apparently justin doesn't follow the patlet offseason has he was injured lifting weights.

He had MINOR back surgery..on a disc. Let's not blow this up into a major issue.

He was following it exactly, you seemed to miss what I said. He apparently hurt himself already over a month ago. Probably at the early weight room sessions. They usually start in about March. If he had back surgery he has been limited ever since then, and apparently is limited now and will be until sometime in the future.

It's not a big deal by any means, but no matter how you look at it he will miss or be limited for most of the off-season weight program this year, too; just like last year.

NO, i don't think you got my sarcasm.

THey lift in season as well. I'm not worried about his strength whatsover.

As for last year...that is a bit of a stretch to use the offseason..he was coming outta college and an injury. Nobody was expecting much from him.

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay - Defensive tackle Justin Harrell, who missed last year's off-season practices due to injury, is out again.

According to the Packers' website, Harrell (back), Johnny Jolly (shoulder) and cornerback Will Blackmon (foot) will not participate in the 13 practice sessions but "should be cleared for the start of training camp."

Six other players will not initially participate in practices but could return. They are: defensive tackles Daniel Muir (pectoral muscle) and Colin Cole (forearm), linebacker Abdul Hodge (knees), fullback John Kuhn (groin), offensive lineman Cameron Stephenson (calf) and tight end Tory Humphrey (ankle).

The fella's highlghted concern me.

It's simple.

They're all under contract and can be declared for the most part missing for action. When their contracts expire they wll be assessed as to their contributon and gven an honorary dscharge if the balance scale says not avalable.

[Patler]

THey lift in season as well. I'm not worried about his strength whatsover.

As for last year...that is a bit of a stretch to use the offseason..he was coming outta college and an injury. Nobody was expecting much from him.

Lifting in season is done STRICTLY for strength maintenance, not for gains. Even during the offseason, they taper their programs down before training camp begins.

If Harrell is limited from their off season program due to his surgery he will have made none of the strength gains that 1st and 2nd year players typically do. Personally, I don't think it is a big deal, because Harrell is reputed to be a naturally strong and very powerful individual. But, it is not totally irrelevant either.