Harrell out

[Tyrone Bigguns]

THey lift in season as well. I'm not worried about his strength whatsover.

As for last year...that is a bit of a stretch to use the offseason..he was coming outta college and an injury. Nobody was expecting much from him.

Lifting in season is done STRICTLY for strength maintenance, not for gains. Even during the offseason, they taper their programs down before training camp begins.

If Harrell is limited from their off season program due to his surgery he will have made none of the strength gains that 1st and 2nd year players typically do. Personally, I don't think it is a big deal, because Harrell is reputed to be a naturally strong and very powerful individual. But, it is not totally irrelevant either.

Agreed, about strength vs. conditioning lifting.

I"m much more worried about conditioning than stength right now with JH.

And, strength is derived from the legs for a DT like him..you don't get "push" from the upper body. He isn't reggie who had ridiculous upper body strength.

[Patler]

I"m much more worried about conditioning than stength right now with JH.

And, strength is derived from the legs for a DT like him..you don't get "push" from the upper body. He isn't reggie who had ridiculous upper body strength.

Of course their legs are important. They "lift" for those, too; and while he may be able to do somethings for his legs, he won't develop explosive power from riding a stationary bike.

[Packnut]

Harrell

While the disc injury itself was'nt a major thing, it just adds to the pattern of Harrell's EXTENSIVE injury history going back to HS. It's a pattern Thompson neglected to see and shame on him for taking that kind of risk with the 16th pick in the draft..............

[sharpe1027]

Re: Harrell

While the disc injury itself was'nt a major thing, it just adds to the pattern of Harrell's EXTENSIVE injury history going back to HS. It's a pattern Thompson neglected to see and shame on him for taking that kind of risk with the 16th pick in the draft..............

I was only aware of an ankle and biceps injury. What other problems has he had?

Either way, suggesting that Thompson didn't know his history backwards and forwards is disingenuous. I'm sure it was factored into the selection. Could it be that TT took a risk on a guy because he had a lot of upside and still might be a steal at 16? *gasp*

The critics say that TT is too conservative AND now they are saying that he shouldn't take risks...

[Bretsky]

I'm not sure if I see huge upside with Harrell. Big bodies like him can clog the middle. What seperates an ok DT from a special one is that initital burst and penetration to pressure the QB. That's what we need to see to truly make this pick worthwhile. Time will tell whether he ends up being that or his injury history will have him nicknamed Harriette

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I"m much more worried about conditioning than stength right now with JH.

And, strength is derived from the legs for a DT like him..you don't get "push" from the upper body. He isn't reggie who had ridiculous upper body strength.

Of course their legs are important. They "lift" for those, too; and while he may be able to do somethings for his legs, he won't develop explosive power from riding a stationary bike.

I know they lift for their legs. But, let's face it, he has probably made enough gains in that area to be fine in the NFL.

JH is an athlete..he already has explosive power. IF he didn't, he woulda been a 6th round pick.

[Packnut]

Re: Harrell

While the disc injury itself was'nt a major thing, it just adds to the pattern of Harrell's EXTENSIVE injury history going back to HS. It's a pattern Thompson neglected to see and shame on him for taking that kind of risk with the 16th pick in the draft..............

I was only aware of an ankle and biceps injury. What other problems has he had?

Either way, suggesting that Thompson didn't know his history backwards and forwards is disingenuous. I'm sure it was factored into the selection. Could it be that TT took a risk on a guy because he had a lot of upside and still might be a steal at 16? *gasp*

The critics say that TT is too conservative AND now they are saying that he shouldn't take risks...

It's one thing thing to get hurt in college, but Harrell was hurt in freakin HS! I think it's a safe bet that he was injured in Pee wee also .

His HS injuries were discussed on ESPN when he was drafted. Injury prone was also mentioned.

My point here is that you take risks on 6th and 7th rd picks, NOT THE 16TH PICK IN THE DRAFT. This recent injury validates a serious trend. Now sure, you can sit around and HOPE this kid can someday stay healthy, but last time I checked, Reggie Nelson is healthy and attending OTA's. I also recall him playing the WHOLE ROOKIE season and being on the all rookie team.

And just for the record, Nelson is not a "hindsight" pick. Both Bretsky and I were singing his praises on this forum BEFORE the draft..........

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Harrell

While the disc injury itself was'nt a major thing, it just adds to the pattern of Harrell's EXTENSIVE injury history going back to HS. It's a pattern Thompson neglected to see and shame on him for taking that kind of risk with the 16th pick in the draft..............

I was only aware of an ankle and biceps injury. What other problems has he had?

Either way, suggesting that Thompson didn't know his history backwards and forwards is disingenuous. I'm sure it was factored into the selection. Could it be that TT took a risk on a guy because he had a lot of upside and still might be a steal at 16? *gasp*

The critics say that TT is too conservative AND now they are saying that he shouldn't take risks...

It's one thing thing to get hurt in college, but Harrell was hurt in freakin HS! I think it's a safe bet that he was injured in Pee wee also .

His HS injuries were discussed on ESPN when he was drafted. Injury prone was also mentioned.

My point here is that you take risks on 6th and 7th rd picks, NOT THE 16TH PICK IN THE DRAFT. This recent injury validates a serious trend. Now sure, you can sit around and HOPE this kid can someday stay healthy, but last time I checked, Reggie Nelson is healthy and attending OTA's. I also recall him playing the WHOLE ROOKIE season and being on the all rookie team.

And just for the record, Nelson is not a "hindsight" pick. Both Bretsky and I were singing his praises on this forum BEFORE the draft..........

Who cares if he was injured in high school..apparently not Tenn..where he played and dominated enough to be thought of as a first round pick.

Please post some facts regarding his injuries in high school...until then, i question the veracity of your memory.

The guy was an all american by prep star...mr. football for 2a...and started 3 years on the bball team...doesn't sound like he was injured severely if he somehow came off football season and then started in basketball.

He was a 3 year starter at Tenn...and let's not forget...did play his rookie year for us.

As for Nelson...judging players and their careers after ONE season is stupid.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Harrell

It's one thing thing to get hurt in college, but Harrell was hurt in freakin HS!

The significance of getting hurt in HS vs. college is lost on me.

[Guiness]

I would have to think this injury does impact him pretty seriously...I agree with Patler that being limited in his participation of off-season activities will harm his development. That the jump you see out of 2nd year players is because they are pros - and can devote themselves entirely to their trade. For a DT, this means strength gains that can be had when all you have to worry about is eating, sleeping and working out.

Sure, he's got good (probably great) natural strength and explosiveness. So does pretty much every guy in the NFL though, so you can't give up and edge.

I think we'll basically see him in the form he would've been in for his rookie year this season if he hadn't been hurt, as opposed to a guy with a year under his belt.