Nelson Makes Early Impact

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is it wrong to get excited when our top draft pick makes incredible plays during the infancy of his NFL career? How about a little optimism?

1) It's Cleft Crusty.
2) I'm all for optimism, but I think it's a little much to say at this point that he runs better routes and has more football IQ than Greg Jennings.

[Gunakor]

Is it wrong to get excited when our top draft pick makes incredible plays during the infancy of his NFL career? How about a little optimism?

1) It's Cleft Crusty.
2) I'm all for optimism, but I think it's a little much to say at this point that he runs better routes and has more football IQ than Greg Jennings.

1) I haven't been around long enough to know who Cleft Crusty is, so please excuse me if I've called him out on something that is already common knowledge to most of the other rats.

2) I agree with you that saying he's a better route runner or has better football IQ than Jennings is a bit premature. It also is a bit premature to say he isn't as crisp a route runner or has less football IQ than Jennings. What I do know is that if he has equal talent and intelligence at his position as Greg Jennings, then this passing attack is going to be scary good for many years to come. We haven't seen anything less than great play so far this spring from Nelson (outstanding by rookie standards), which is why I'm so optimistic that he'll be as good or perhaps even better than Jennings. It's an extremely good problem to have if you have a couple WR's on your roster better than Greg Jennings...

[HarveyWallbangers]

1) I haven't been around long enough to know who Cleft Crusty is, so please excuse me if I've called him out on something that is already common knowledge to most of the other rats.

You'll have to check on his Profile and read some of his posts. I'm not sure of the real identity of Cleft, but he's a tongue-and-cheek spoof of Cliff "Uncle Cliffy" Christl (recently retired from the JSO).

[The Leaper]

2) I'm all for optimism, but I think it's a little much to say at this point that he runs better routes and has more football IQ than Greg Jennings.

Nelson was a QB in high school, and he played DB when he first went to K-State.

I think Nelson's experience at the areas where he has direct interaction with at the WR position (QB, DB) gives him a unique perspective that a career WR like Jennings probably doesn't have.

Football IQ might not be the right term...I think both guys are pretty high in that area, as most Thompson draftees are.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nelson was a QB in high school, and he played DB when he first went to K-State.

Whatever. Most guys played a bunch of positions in high school. Jennings played RB, WR, LB, and CB in high school--according to his bio on Packers.com. Nelson's experience as a high school QB hardly proves that he has better football IQ than Jennings. Give me a break. More than anything else, Jennings came into the NFL showing he had a great football IQ.

[Packnut]

Re: Nelson

Nelson has better hands and runs routes a little bit cleaner than Jennings does. I also think Nelson's football IQ is bit higher. But, Jennings has proven himself where as Nelson is just getting started so I'll have to wait a while to see if I'm right.

Nelson may have better hands. I'm not sure since I've only seen his highlights and not his lowlights, but Jennings is a great route runner. I can't rate Nelson's football IQ either. I know Jennings has great football IQ, and he's intelligent. What makes you think Nelson has better football IQ?

I saw him play a lot last season so I witnessed his hands. I saw him catch more than a few poor throws. As for his route running, his coaches could'nt say enough good things about how he understands the importance of proper depth when running routes.

Now I know it's natural for coaches to build up their players, but the route running comments are not the normal bable that coaches use.

As for the IQ comment, it's just based on what I saw of him. KS was pretty good in giving the QB the freedom to audible and Nelson was on the same page.

I also have to admit that my damn college gambling addiction, gives me a pretty good read on the guys coming into the pros. When your risking your hard earned money, you pay a lot of attention to the little things..........

[HarveyWallbangers]

But why do you think he's better than Jennings? You said he's a little better than Jennings in route running and football IQ. Those happen to be Jennings two best attributes. What makes you think he's better than Jennings in the two things that Jennings is best at?

[Packnut]

Nelson

But why do you think he's better than Jennings? You said he's a little better than Jennings in route running and football IQ. Those happen to be Jennings two best attributes. What makes you think he's better than Jennings in the two things that Jennings is best at?

I should have prefaced my comments on how they compare coming out of college. I apologize for not being clear on that. I did'nt mean to imply that Nelson is better right now.

I knew Jennings was for real based on how he played in big games. Nelson has the same history (like the Texas and Kansas game). I saw about 7 or 8 games Jennings played and I was not impressed with his route running ability. He has improved on that big-time.

Let's just call it a hunch, but I hav'nt been this stoked about a draft choice in a long long time. Nelson is the real McCoy and will impress everyone in due time.

[RashanGary]

Like Nelson, Jennings was the #1 guy on his team. When you played Western Michigan or K-State you lined up and stopped Nelson or Jennings. They saw double and triple coverages and both found ways to get open. Both caught balls in traffic. You don't get open on double and triple coverage without great route running. You have to either set up the defender (the way Jennings did with his great quickness and route running) or you have to use yoru body (the way Nelson did with his size and great route running)

Jennings seemed to have more plays where he got behind defenses (but most of his were short routes too) and Nelson seemed to have more plays where guys were doing everything they could to take away the short pass and he still got in front of the defender and made the catch (but he also had deep balls).



Both seems somewhat similar in that they are both good at everything. However, they do have some differences.

Both are good with shorter routes - Nelson better
Both are good with YAC - Jennings better
Both are good at deep balls - Jennings better
Both are smart and natural route runners - Toss up
Both have great hands - Nelson's seem a little better
Both are fast - Jennings a little faster
Both have good size - Nelsons is better

Really, both can do everthing but at the end of the day I think you're going to see Nelson as the guy who catches more passes per season and Jennings as the guy who gets more big plays and a better YPC. I agree that the Nelson pick is going to be a great pick, but I don't think he's better than Jennings. He's different and I think he'll be equally good. I'm going to pay close attn to Rodgers and the WR's this year at TC, but my intial reaction is that I love the pick. Nelson reminds me of Hines Ward.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Nelson

I know Jennings has great football IQ, and he's intelligent. What makes you think Nelson has better football IQ?

Totally agree with that. Jennings learned the position in training camp that most WRs take a couple of years to learn. Favre commended him several times for making adjustments, reading defenses, and generally getting himself in the right place at the right time.

Evidence seems to say that Jennings is extraordinarily bright.

Yes!

[rbaloha1]

Ridiculous comparision

Comparing Nelson and Jennings is impossible.

We have not witnessed Nelson in an NFL game. Any way who cares?

Both dudes are the cornerstones for a very long time eventually ending with a super bowl victories.

Enjoy the talent TT has assembled.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Rookies take time to learn but Nelson has a good Wonderlic score.

Some day Driver will retire and it will be Jennings, Nelson, Jones and whoever.

A good O-line and QB can only make this team a dangerous one.

[bobblehead]

Great post Justin, I'm changing my vote to you stay!

[Partial]

1) I haven't been around long enough to know who Cleft Crusty is, so please excuse me if I've called him out on something that is already common knowledge to most of the other rats.

You'll have to check on his Profile and read some of his posts. I'm not sure of the real identity of Cleft, but he's a tongue-and-cheek spoof of Cliff "Uncle Cliffy" Christl (recently retired from the JSO).

*cough* greenday *cough*

[Partial]

Like Nelson, Jennings was the #1 guy on his team. When you played Western Michigan or K-State you lined up and stopped Nelson or Jennings. They saw double and triple coverages and both found ways to get open. Both caught balls in traffic. You don't get open on double and triple coverage without great route running. You have to either set up the defender (the way Jennings did with his great quickness and route running) or you have to use yoru body (the way Nelson did with his size and great route running)

Jennings seemed to have more plays where he got behind defenses (but most of his were short routes too) and Nelson seemed to have more plays where guys were doing everything they could to take away the short pass and he still got in front of the defender and made the catch (but he also had deep balls).



Both seems somewhat similar in that they are both good at everything. However, they do have some differences.

Both are good with shorter routes - Nelson better
Both are good with YAC - Jennings better
Both are good at deep balls - Jennings better
Both are smart and natural route runners - Toss up
Both have great hands - Nelson's seem a little better
Both are fast - Jennings a little faster
Both have good size - Nelsons is better

Really, both can do everthing but at the end of the day I think you're going to see Nelson as the guy who catches more passes per season and Jennings as the guy who gets more big plays and a better YPC. I agree that the Nelson pick is going to be a great pick, but I don't think he's better than Jennings. He's different and I think he'll be equally good. I'm going to pay close attn to Rodgers and the WR's this year at TC, but my intial reaction is that I love the pick. Nelson reminds me of Hines Ward.

This is shinanigans. I'm sorry, but do you not remember all the raving and ballyhoo about how good GJ looked?!? He is now a stud as we all expected.

I am very hopeful and optimistic towards the future of Jordy, but right now he isn't anything but an unproven rookie. I'll believe it when I see it (and I hope I do soon!)