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    According to Rock, it's Aaron Rouse, Allen Barbre, Brandon Jackson, Desmond Bishop, and James Jones.



    The improve-from-within philosophy Ted Thompson embraces as Green Bay Packers general manager relies on young players’ ability to develop quickly and take on prominent roles.

    So, it has to be considered a good sign for the Packers that, among roughly 60 players who reported for the offseason strength and conditioning program in March, the five who have shown the most improvement hail from the 2007 draft class: Brandon Jackson, James Jones, Aaron Rouse, Allen Barbre and Desmond Bishop.

    “Those five guys have really, really done a great job this offseason,” strength and conditioning coach Rock Gullickson said this week. “You can see their confidence just is growing. You can see that they feel like they’re filling into the veteran role and taking the challenge to improve. A lot of times, that’s difficult, because the vets kind of watch out for each other a little bit. But of all the guys, those five guys really stick out as guys you’d have to consider for most improved.”

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    According to Gullickson, each member of the improved fivesome — Jackson, Jones, Rouse, Barbre and Bishop — stands out in all five categories like “they’re a different guy than they were previously.”

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    All that’s without mentioning the Packers’ top draft pick in 2007, defensive tackle Justin Harrell, who injured a disc in his back while lifting weights last month and won’t be cleared for contact until training camp. With Corey Williams’ departure via trade and Jolly recovering from shoulder surgery, coaches remain hopeful Harrell can take on a prominent role.

    “You look at him, you think, ‘Wow — what could we mold him into?’” Gullickson said of Harrell, who started three games late last season. “The setback is something that, we’ll have to start kind of back at square one. But he’s going to be fine, and I know he’s itching to get started.”
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

  • #2
    The Rouse/Collins and Barbre/Colledge battles will probably be the 2 best in training camp. The release of K-Rob should also help Jones, whose development was slowed last year when K-Rob joined the team.
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    • #3
      What about Bishop though? I wonder if he'll push Poppinga and Chillar?

      BJack is interesting too. With the Grant's position, and BJack apparently much improved...
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      • #4
        It seems like we have guys that WANT to play...I know that sounds dumb in pro sports but this has the feeling of a H.S. team where you WANT to be on the Varsity squad
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        • #5
          I really like Desmond Bishop. It would be nice if they could cross train him as a strong side OLB.

          Jackson IMO has no chance to beat out Grant, but as good as he was when healthy last year, if he improves from that, we have a helluva one/two punch.

          I think Jones just kinda wore out last season. That shouldn't happen this year. I could see him doing what Jennings did in his second season.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            I really like Desmond Bishop. It would be nice if they could cross train him as a strong side OLB.

            Jackson IMO has no chance to beat out Grant, but as good as he was when healthy last year, if he improves from that, we have a helluva one/two punch.

            I think Jones just kinda wore out last season. That shouldn't happen this year. I could see him doing what Jennings did in his second season.
            Jones doesn't have the talent of Jennings. Just not fast enough. Jennings ran 4.4 and looks fast in pads. Jones looks like he runs closer to 4.6.

            This was the most improved in the workout room. It wasn't McCarthy that said. It was the trainer.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              Jackson IMO has no chance to beat out Grant, but as good as he was when healthy last year, if he improves from that, we have a helluva one/two punch.
              IMO, Brandon Jackson = Tony Fisher..the other half of our one-two punch is still TBD. Grant is not a power/workhorse back, we still need a hammer that can tote the rock with regular success on short yardage and can compliment Grant's elusive (with some power) style.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joemailman
                The Rouse/Collins and Barbre/Colledge battles will probably be the 2 best in training camp. The release of K-Rob should also help Jones, whose development was slowed last year when K-Rob joined the team.
                I disagree with K-Rob slowing Jones' development. K-Rob was nothing more than a 5th reciever and a KR. The only one slowing down Jones development was Jones himself.

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                • #9
                  Names conspicuously absent from that list:

                  Darryn Colledge -if anyone needed to "remake" himself in the weight room it was him. The fact that Barbre is on the list does not bode well for Mr. Colledge.

                  DeShawn Wynn - weight lifting 'cramping' your style? Take some Midol and get in the gym.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DonHutson
                    Darryn Colledge -if anyone needed to "remake" himself in the weight room it was him. The fact that Barbre is on the list does not bode well for Mr. Colledge.
                    To be fair, Colledge seems to know his weakness and he says he worked hard in the weight room this offseason.

                    Colledge hopes the off-season work in the weight room will help him well into training camp.

                    "I felt like I worked harder in the weight room this year. I felt like I got stronger," said Colledge. "The last two years, you're just so worried about what you're doing and learning and scheme. This year I felt like I didn't need that. I know the plays. I know what we're doing. I felt like what I needed was to get stronger and to get faster."
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      To be fair, Colledge seems to know his weakness and he says he worked hard in the weight room this offseason.
                      Or should we take this as a bad sign, that Colledge thinks he did the work and the coach doesn't?

                      If I really want to be fair I could acknowledge that just because Colledge wasn't singled out for praise doesn't mean he was slacking off. But I don't want to be fair. The guy has talent, and loads of athleticism. If he could ever combine that with decent strength he could be really good.

                      Barbre is always singled out for his athleticism AND his attitude. If he's adding the strength that Colledge isn't then he'll catch up fast. If they're equal in athleticism, and Barbe has an edge in strength and toughness, then Colledge's edge in experience won't hold up too much longer.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DonHutson

                        Or should we take this as a bad sign, that Colledge thinks he did the work and the coach doesn't?
                        Ouch - hadn't thought of that, but I should've. I've coached kids like that, that think they're playing lights out all the time, but are at best pedestrian.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DonHutson
                          Or should we take this as a bad sign, that Colledge thinks he did the work and the coach doesn't?

                          If I really want to be fair I could acknowledge that just because Colledge wasn't singled out for praise doesn't mean he was slacking off. But I don't want to be fair.
                          You said it in your second statement. Kind of odd that all of the guys singled out were second year players. I don't know how the question to Rock was posed. Also, maybe they had farther to go in their training. Like you said, it doesn't mean Colledge was slacking. I don't know that he's gotten stronger, but his words seem to indicate he realized what he needed to do and worked harder at it.

                          Should be an interesting battle. I hope both guys have improved a lot. Solidifying that spot on the OL would be huge. Having talented, young players competing at that spot could produce surprising results. Maybe after his first year, Colledge thought he was on his way as a rookie starter and didn't realize he had to work even harder his second year. Having a guy like Barbre breathing down his neck could have provided him with the necessary motivation to work harder.

                          This is a big year for Colledge. Either he gets it done in his third year or he's probably going to be the backup at LT. By the time Clifton retires, Colledge could be elsewhere.
                          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                          • #14
                            I still think college will ultimately be a tackle due to size and athleticism and lack of nastiness.

                            BJack I never thought speed or strength were the problem, but the instincts that a running back either has or doesn't. I'm worried about him, but they drafted him I THINK to be a third down guy, not a runner and he has shown soft hands and instinct there. If he picks up the blitz well, he will fill that role just fine.

                            The guys I'm highest on coming into the season is rouse (cuz we need him to emerge) due to his good instincts last year, and secondly jones cuz he too seems to have the things you can't teach. You can bring a guy from a 4.6 to a 4.45 with hard work, you can't teach him to catch the ball the way he does (as long as he holds onto it). He also instinctively shields the defender from the ball with his body (much like Jordan seems to).

                            I'm hoping Grant is being reasonable and something will get done, cuz if he does I really think the offense will go as far as Rogers takes them.
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                            • #15
                              Rouse will be the starter this year and maybe Collins,Poppinga, and a late round pick goes to Miami for Taylor.
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