Most improved

[motife]

Rouse will be the starter this year and maybe Collins,Poppinga, and a late round pick goes to Miami for Taylor.

They should try Collins at corner before they trade him.

[motife]

Q: David Wheaton of Lake Minnetonka - A year ago, not too many people would have said "Atari Bigby" had they been asked to name who the 2007 Most Improved Packer would be. Him even becoming a starter was not likely. *Anyway, who are your candidates to be the Packers 2008 Most Improved Player? *Also, who would you say is the most important as far as needing to improve? I'd have to say Colledge for being the most crucial.

A: Greg Bedard - 1) Allen Barbre. 2) Without question, the combination of Spitz, Colledge, Barbre and Coston. Those guys need to step up. Like yesterday.

[oregonpackfan]

Jones doesn't have the talent of Jennings. Just not fast enough. Jennings ran 4.4 and looks fast in pads. Jones looks like he runs closer to 4.6.

This was the most improved in the workout room. It wasn't McCarthy that said. It was the trainer.[/quote]

Though Jones does not have blinding speed, I still think he can be a valuable receiver for the Packers.

I really like the way he catches the ball with is hands rather than just trying to cradle it. He can become a valuable "Possession receiver" for the Packers, IMO.

[Gunakor]

Though Jones does not have blinding speed, I still think he can be a valuable receiver for the Packers.

I really like the way he catches the ball with is hands rather than just trying to cradle it. He can become a valuable "Possession receiver" for the Packers, IMO.

Jones is going to be the very best #4 WR in the NFL this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Though Jones does not have blinding speed, I still think he can be a valuable receiver for the Packers.

I really like the way he catches the ball with is hands rather than just trying to cradle it. He can become a valuable "Possession receiver" for the Packers, IMO.

No question, he can. Jennings has a chance to be a Pro Bowl receiver though. I don't think Jones has that potential.

[bobblehead]

Though Jones does not have blinding speed, I still think he can be a valuable receiver for the Packers.

I really like the way he catches the ball with is hands rather than just trying to cradle it. He can become a valuable "Possession receiver" for the Packers, IMO.

No question, he can. Jennings has a chance to be a Pro Bowl receiver though. I don't think Jones has that potential.

Cliff christl said the same thing about jennings his entire rookie season...the part about being a valuable possession guy and not having the potential to be a probowler.....then CC retired.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cliff christl said the same thing about jennings his entire rookie season...the part about being a valuable possession guy and not having the potential to be a probowler.....then CC retired.

Uncle Cliffy and I disagreed on Jennings. Some threads that were going around at this time last year.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewto...ssion+receiver

I think Driver is more than a possession receiver though, and I think Jennings has the potential to be a complete receiver like Driver.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewto...s+driver+jones

Jennings was on pace for nearly 1200 yards and 9 TDs in his first 6 games last year... before the ankle injury. I think he's going to do very well.

This isn't too point out that I was right--because I've been wrong a lot. Just pointing out that I thought Jennings would be really good after his rookie year. I don't like Jones nearly as much--although he's a good 3rd receiver and there's nothing wrong with that.

Funny that ESPN ranked our receiving corps 28th best in the NFL last August.

[The Leaper]

They should try Collins at corner before they trade him.

The guy struggles to cover a TE. He sure as hell won't be able to cover a WR.

[RashanGary]

I think Collins is an excellent career nickle back with great potential on ST's (Gunner on punt coverage and they can find some place for a 210lb guy who runs 4.38 40 times on kick coverage).

No reason go get rid of him, but he didn't live up to the high expectations that some (myself included) thought he might. If you really think Peprah or Culver have more potential then I can see it, but to me Collins seems like a good player to have on yoru team (and he doesn't kill you if he has to start 4 or 5 games per season).

[CaliforniaCheez]

It happens every year when the rookies learn what it takes and dedicate themselves to it.

I hope Korey Hall was so good originally that that is the reason he is not mentioned.

[bobblehead]

Cliff christl said the same thing about jennings his entire rookie season...the part about being a valuable possession guy and not having the potential to be a probowler.....then CC retired.

Uncle Cliffy and I disagreed on Jennings. Some threads that were going around at this time last year.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewto...ssion+receiver

I think Driver is more than a possession receiver though, and I think Jennings has the potential to be a complete receiver like Driver.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewto...s+driver+jones

Jennings was on pace for nearly 1200 yards and 9 TDs in his first 6 games last year... before the ankle injury. I think he's going to do very well.

This isn't too point out that I was right--because I've been wrong a lot. Just pointing out that I thought Jennings would be really good after his rookie year. I don't like Jones nearly as much--although he's a good 3rd receiver and there's nothing wrong with that.

Funny that ESPN ranked our receiving corps 28th best in the NFL last August.

I actually agree with you in your assessment, but I was playing devils advocat in the hope that JJ emerges as a big time player this year.

For a guy who got paid to assess things cliffy seemed to not get it a lot of the time. JJ has a thick powerful body designed to be a possession guy in the NFL and possibly a redzone threat.....but I'm still hoping he increases his speed a bit more and becomes something beyond that.

[b bulldog]

Collins has no instinct at all and has hands of steel.

[Bretsky]

If Barbre was our most improved player that would be very key to our offense IMO; the guard play needs to get better.

On the defensive side I'll be cheering for Rouse and Harrell.

[BananaMan]

Jones' speed is fine. He burnt Champ Bailey vs. Denver last year, and then outran everyone for a touchdown.

You don't need much more speed then that.

[KYPack]

Q: David Wheaton of Lake Minnetonka - A year ago, not too many people would have said "Atari Bigby" had they been asked to name who the 2007 Most Improved Packer would be. Him even becoming a starter was not likely. *Anyway, who are your candidates to be the Packers 2008 Most Improved Player? *Also, who would you say is the most important as far as needing to improve? I'd have to say Colledge for being the most crucial.

A: Greg Bedard - 1) Allen Barbre. 2) Without question, the combination of Spitz, Colledge, Barbre and Coston. Those guys need to step up. Like yesterday.

You can quintuple that statement for me.

We gotta get two solid guards out of that bunch.

Harve, I gootta jump this one statement you made:

"I don't think Colledge was slacking. I don't know that he's gotten stronger, but his words seem to indicate he realized what he needed to do and worked harder at it. "

Last off-season, there were reports that Moll, Spitz and Colledge were hitting the weights like demons and would show great improvement in strength in the coming year. I heard it, but I sure as hell never saw it. all of 'em just showed the normal growth of a 1st year guy to a second yr.

This group has got to add strength and muscle mass, espec Colledge. They just aren't that strong and lack shove.

I don't think any of 'em worked that hard and only Spitz showed a lot of gain in level of play.