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[Tyrone Bigguns]

That isn't a drinking problem.

LOL


He got arrested. He lost his job. He potentially lost millions of dollars. I'd call it a problem - but that's just me.

I'd say that is a stupidity issue...not necessarily drinking. Plenty of young guys have stupidity issues.

We have no "evidence" of how drunk he was...let's wait and see. If he was .085 i dont' say that is a drinking problem..i say that is just being stupid.

Arrested: That is what happens when you refuse a breathalyzer and blood tests. but, that is exactly what you should do if stopped by a cop...any attorney will tell you that.

If we define it by your terms...he'll have another job, he banked 17 mill, etc.

Well, we both know I can admit I am wrong but I see you dont know when to quit. Do I need to bump the bentson thread from the boat party? You know, the one where you said he was being profiled or some BS??

You talk alot of shit about racism but have you actually ever been discriminated against for anything besides being an arrogant asshole?

Bump away. The two have nothing to do with each other. In that one, we have witnesses that don't corroborate the popo.

In this case we have a drunk driver.

The only relationship is that there is alcohol involved.

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

[bobblehead]

the only way an attorny would tell you to refuse is if you thought there was a chance you would fail the test. Now that being said, I'm not convinced he has a drinking problem, probably much less than I did at his age, but my body wasn't my livelihood either.

Sorry, you are wrong.

Nope, just called an attorney in wisconsin to check. He said you would be a fippin fool to refuse a breathalyzer if you were stone cold sober. If you knew you had zero to drink and you knew you would automatically lose your liscence for a year, or if you are in a state where the punishment is different, it doesn't matter, you would be stupid to not comply unless you were trying to make a political point, or thought you might fail.

Now, that being said, I believe in your example the cop knew exactly who he was pulling over and was probably being a dick and getting a little revenge. Said attorney probably makes a habit of getting dangerous drunk drivers off, and cops frown on that (fairly or not). I also know we are hearing one side of the story 2nd hand no less. I doubt he would have knowingly arrested an attorneys wife with absolutely nothing thus setting himself up for sure embarrassment in court. Most cop stories I am aware of where they are harrassing and busting chops end before the cop puts himself in jeaprody for things like false arrest, thus ruining his credibility against this attorney in court for life.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

the only way an attorny would tell you to refuse is if you thought there was a chance you would fail the test. Now that being said, I'm not convinced he has a drinking problem, probably much less than I did at his age, but my body wasn't my livelihood either.

Sorry, you are wrong.

Nope, just called an attorney in wisconsin to check. He said you would be a fippin fool to refuse a breathalyzer if you were stone cold sober. If you knew you had zero to drink and you knew you would automatically lose your liscence for a year, or if you are in a state where the punishment is different, it doesn't matter, you would be stupid to not comply unless you were trying to make a political point, or thought you might fail.

Now, that being said, I believe in your example the cop knew exactly who he was pulling over and was probably being a dick and getting a little revenge. Said attorney probably makes a habit of getting dangerous drunk drivers off, and cops frown on that (fairly or not). I also know we are hearing one side of the story 2nd hand no less. I doubt he would have knowingly arrested an attorneys wife with absolutely nothing thus setting himself up for sure embarrassment in court. Most cop stories I am aware of where they are harrassing and busting chops end before the cop puts himself in jeaprody for things like false arrest, thus ruining his credibility against this attorney in court for life.

I didn't say breath..i was referring to field sobriety. I think we have our signals crossed. To refuse the breath..you auto lose your license.

What i was saying is this...if you are pulled over...roll down your window, give your name and minimal info and that is it. That is advice of atty. You can refuse field sobriety. You don't want to give the cops their case for them. Regardless of how much/little you have drank.

Read my post above....i certainly wouldn't advise refusing breath as you lose your license..but, what i'm saying is you don't wanna give them the reason to use it. You don't want to talk with them, you don't want to chat, etc. You take the stance of..name..and i want my atty. Shitty, that it comes to that, but with the way cops are with DUI in AZ..you have no choice.

Story: Not one side...it was in the paper. I have no relationship to any party.

And, yes..he was embarrased...as the case was dismissed. That is the point. Most people aren't going to fight it..they will accept what the cop says or they don't wanna pay an atty.

Take out the harassing part...let's say he didn't know who they were...it still adds up to she wasn't drinking and didn't do anything that warranted arrest. She wasn't drunk, she didn't refuse breath, etc.

Take a read about some other situations..and then you'll understand why atty's are advising what i'm saying:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-03-20/news/it-took-less-than-one-drink-to-get-shannon-wilcutt-busted-for-felony-dui/

[HarveyWallbangers]

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

Old hippies bring it on themselves. You should be discriminated against.

[MadtownPacker]

Bump away. The two have nothing to do with each other. In that one, we have witnesses that don't corroborate the popo.

In this case we have a drunk driver.

The only relationship is that there is alcohol involved.

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

Same dude within a couple of months and that means nothing? A BIC lighter must have blown up in your face and blinded you when you where smoking rocks because I dont see how you can miss the obvious fact that benson is a piece of crap.

You will be lucky to even get a bottle Thunderbird. $2 skanks get $2 dranks.

[MadtownPacker]

I think typhoon is correct. Refusing a sobriety test is OK because it is possible to fail one sober. But refusing a breath test is equal to pleading guilty in California.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bump away. The two have nothing to do with each other. In that one, we have witnesses that don't corroborate the popo.

In this case we have a drunk driver.

The only relationship is that there is alcohol involved.

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

Same dude within a couple of months and that means nothing? A BIC lighter must have blown up in your face and blinded you when you where smoking rocks because I dont see how you can miss the obvious fact that benson is a piece of crap.

You will be lucky to even get a bottle Thunderbird. $2 skanks get $2 dranks.

Hey, i said he has a stupidity issue. I won't go as far as calling him a piece of crap. C'mon, he is 25 or so...my god, at that age in wisco..non football players are drunk 5 nights a week.

It isn't like he was assaulting someone, doing illegal drugs, or even hammered outta his mind.

He is a young guy with money..and having a good time. He needs a reality check or so..but, nonestly, from what i've read..his alcohol consumption rates him as a lightweight.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

Old hippies bring it on themselves. You should be discriminated against.

That would be funny, if we all didn't know you were a racist prick.

What's the matter, some jon voight type fuck your old lady while you were in the Nam?

[MadtownPacker]

Discriminated: Yes. But, i'm not going to go into my personal life. If you want that..you'll have to at least take me to Sizzler. And, 3 or 4 singapore slings...then you can have your way with me.

Old hippies bring it on themselves. You should be discriminated against.

That would be funny, if we all didn't know you were a racist prick.

What's the matter, some jon voight type fuck your old lady while you were in the Nam?

Hahah. I have met Harv and he is trashy as they come. Kinda made me want be more racist to him then I usually am to whitey-devils. I am positive he has been discriminated against in his lifetime.

[Guiness]

Off the the RR with this thread!

DUI works a little different here in Canuckland. There is no field sobriety test, they actually have field breathalyzers. Failing that test gets you taken downtown for a more accurate (blood?) test. Refusing to blow is an automatic conviction!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hahah. I have met Harv and he is trashy as they come. Kinda made me want be more racist to him then I usually am to whitey-devils. I am positive he has been discriminated against in his lifetime.

Listen here, Mexi-Cali... I do the discriminating. Elmer Bigguns said it was so.

[bobblehead]

That isn't a drinking problem.

LOL


He got arrested. He lost his job. He potentially lost millions of dollars. I'd call it a problem - but that's just me.

I'd say that is a stupidity issue...not necessarily drinking. Plenty of young guys have stupidity issues.

We have no "evidence" of how drunk he was...let's wait and see. If he was .085 i dont' say that is a drinking problem..i say that is just being stupid.

Arrested: That is what happens when you refuse a breathalyzer and blood tests. but, that is exactly what you should do if stopped by a cop...any attorney will tell you that.

If we define it by your terms...he'll have another job, he banked 17 mill, etc.

I'll give you the benefit that you MEANT to refuse field tests, but what you said was..well, above.

That being said, I agree, don't do a field test, if you are sure you can pass a breathalyzer and they want to give you a field test tell them you'll consent to a breathalyzer. If you fail a field test and blow a .03 they can still arrest you. If you simply blow a .03 and they arrest you it will never hold in court.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'll give you the benefit that you MEANT to refuse field tests, but what you said was..well, above.

If I were you, I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. It's amazing how often Elmer is wrong.

[bobblehead]

I'll give you the benefit that you MEANT to refuse field tests, but what you said was..well, above.

If I were you, I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. It's amazing how often Elmer is wrong.

I try to be better than that. I could jump up and down screaming I was right but what would that really accomplish, the record speaks for itself and I don't want to belabor the point. He either put something in type that he read differently in his mind, or he is backpedalling, it doesn't matter to me, the point is we came to agreement on the point.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That isn't a drinking problem.

LOL


He got arrested. He lost his job. He potentially lost millions of dollars. I'd call it a problem - but that's just me.

I'd say that is a stupidity issue...not necessarily drinking. Plenty of young guys have stupidity issues.

We have no "evidence" of how drunk he was...let's wait and see. If he was .085 i dont' say that is a drinking problem..i say that is just being stupid.

Arrested: That is what happens when you refuse a breathalyzer and blood tests. but, that is exactly what you should do if stopped by a cop...any attorney will tell you that.

If we define it by your terms...he'll have another job, he banked 17 mill, etc.

I'll give you the benefit that you MEANT to refuse field tests, but what you said was..well, above.

That being said, I agree, don't do a field test, if you are sure you can pass a breathalyzer and they want to give you a field test tell them you'll consent to a breathalyzer. If you fail a field test and blow a .03 they can still arrest you. If you simply blow a .03 and they arrest you it will never hold in court.

Yeah, i see where i missed the B in the A to B to C. Clearly i was saying if you refuse the b/bt..you get arrested. I left out sobriety when talking about atty.

I guess we are differing a bit. I say don't do the field sobriety...they can't arrest you. Make the burden be on them to prove you were drunk. Give them as little to work with as possible.

But, you are wrong on the arrest part. In AZ, if you read the articles..you can be arrested at any amount...if they determine you are impaired. That is the whole crux..and that is why you don't want to give them ammo.