Is Rodgers Ready?

[bobblehead]

at the risk of incurring the wrath of the masses I'm backing JH. BF stopped being committed to offseason programs, reading defenses, studying and that sort of stuff in shrmans second year. Sherman let him think he was so damn good he didn't need all of that. When TT and MM came in and set him straight he didn't like it one bit, but as he capitulated he turned in by far his best season in years.

Did you guys forget the 29 pick campaign and watching MM light into him coming off the field after some of the bonehead plays? TT and MM basically told him look, either you are all in with this team or not....he chose not, but not until after they practically forced him to have his best season since holmgren. Even Lori Nickel said he always had an excuse for his interceptions in her recent chat.

Now all this isn't to say I wasn't pleased he HELPED reverse this franchise, I'll always love him for that, but the man admitted in his retirement speech that he didn't want to put the time in anymore, and now the organization was demanding he do so. I wish him well, I hope he is comfortable with his decision, but like JH, I wasn't sad to see it end.

[Freak Out]

My kingdom for a hand grenade.

[Lurker64]

Lurker, you trying to think of something clever to say? Come on, bust it out little man

I'm just glad you're no longer claiming that the guys on defense and special teams only played hard because they could look over to the sidelines and see Favre standing there. I don't really have a horse in this race.

Favre retires, I'm cheering for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers.
Favre doesn't retire, I'm cheering for the Packers and Brett Favre.

[SMACKTALKIE]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I joined this site to discuss some football with a group of folks who won't always agree with me.......some REAL football conversation, and I feel that has been accopmlished. I guess I did not expect pack fans to be so divided on this topic.

But I've never had the oppourtunity to cheer on a man like Favre.

[Charles Woodson]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I joined this site to discuss some football with a group of folks who won't always agree with me.......some REAL football conversation, and I feel that has been accopmlished. I guess I did not expect pack fans to be so divided on this topic.

But I've never had the oppourtunity to cheer on a man like Favre.

Well i would say 90% of us appreciate Favre, i sure as hell know i do. But your always going to have your own drama queens on the site.

[RashanGary]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I think you're making the same mistake that the emotional Favre worshipers typically make. Nobody here complained about him not being a great player for most of his career. There was one complaint about the 29 pick year (not even a complaint by me, the guy who everyone's taking jabs at because I somehow hit a chord close to them).

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

There was nobody complaining about him being a bad player. As middle schooler and high schooler I'm happy I got to see Favre in his prime. The last three years, I'm sick of the whole act and was ready to see him go. I really don't think we're going to see much drop off. I believe the QB is overhyped on good teams and overscrutinized many times on bad teams. The Packers are on a good team. Rodgers will be overhyped the way Favre was last year and most of his career. If the team were bad, he'd be overscrtinized the way Favre was three years ago.

[cpk1994]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I think you're making the same mistake that the emotional Favre worshipers typically make. Nobody here complained about him not being a great player for most of his career. There was one complaint about the 29 pick year (not even a complaint by me, the guy who everyone's taking jabs at because I somehow hit a chord close to them).

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

There was nobody complaining about him being a bad player. As middle schooler and high schooler I'm happy I got to see Favre in his prime. The last three years, I'm sick of the whole act and was ready to see him go. I really don't think we're going to see much drop off. I believe the QB is overhyped on good teams and overscrutinized many times on bad teams. The Packers are on a good team. Rodgers will be overhyped the way Favre was last year and most of his career. If the team were bad, he'd be overscrtinized the way Favre was three years ago.

Keep fighting the good foight, JH. It is amazing how people get their panties in a bunch becuause someone has the audacity to criticize the almighty one. Remember, the name of the team is the GREEN BAY PACKERS, not the Brett Favre Packers. There is not one member, past or present, of the GREEN BAY PACKERS, that is above criticism. I don't have to like every player simply becuase he put on the uniform. That attitude reeks of elitest BS.

[privatepacker]

Trying to get back to the subject, I think that TT and MM wanted BF to be their QB but a fully dedicated BF. If they couldn't get Favre to be totally dedicated then they think that Rodgers is their guy. This is pure speculation on my part and you will probably never hear the whole story.
Favre should go down as one of the best ever. replacing him will leave a void for any QB. Rodgers is as ready as they can make him. We will see but I'm betting that he becomes the QB that wins a Super Bowl or two for the Pack. Just because of the strong team around him.
While I personally think BF is the best QB ever, my favorite QBs of all time are Joe Namath and Bert Jones. Both who had the talent and drive but never the health to make them legends.

[Deputy Nutz]

McCarthy said Montana showed up for every OTA even into his late 30's. Gannon never missed an off season program. Favre just didn't care and I was happy to see him go because of it. It's fun to watch football players that want to be there (offseason, season, practice, games, all of it to get better)

What the fuck are you talking about? In the 80s they didn't have OTAs, sure they had mini camps and things, but only practices that last 3 or 4 days, not 15 in a row.

You are being an idiot, I usually don't mind your ridiculous rants, but you are out of line and totally wrong. "Glad to see him go". What are you retarded? You are glad to see the face of the franchise of the Green Bay Packers go. Do you even realize the implications of this statement financially on the Green Bay Packers?

actually you don't know shit, only that you make ridiculous statements to get reaction on a football forum. This is only another line fo dumb ass statements made by a fool. In other words you are a Troll looking for reaction with every dumbass post.

[Deputy Nutz]

Let's just put it this way, I respect Javon Walker and Ahman Green's off season work ethic more than Favre's. I'd bet that just about every one of the 88 players on the current Packers roster want it more than Favre did at the end.

I don't want to take anything away from his career as a whole, but when he decided he didn't care to show up for all of the work, I really didn't care if he showed up at all. The (I'm bigger than the game that gave me all I have) act grew old.

Seriously you are so full shit it hurts. You might be the only pile of garabage I have ever heard question Favre's commitment to the game of football. Seriously you are about as dumb as the fucking dog in your avatar.

[Deputy Nutz]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I think you're making the same mistake that the emotional Favre worshipers typically make. Nobody here complained about him not being a great player for most of his career. There was one complaint about the 29 pick year (not even a complaint by me, the guy who everyone's taking jabs at because I somehow hit a chord close to them).

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

There was nobody complaining about him being a bad player. As middle schooler and high schooler I'm happy I got to see Favre in his prime. The last three years, I'm sick of the whole act and was ready to see him go. I really don't think we're going to see much drop off. I believe the QB is overhyped on good teams and overscrutinized many times on bad teams. The Packers are on a good team. Rodgers will be overhyped the way Favre was last year and most of his career. If the team were bad, he'd be overscrtinized the way Favre was three years ago.

Keep fighting the good foight, JH. It is amazing how people get their panties in a bunch becuause someone has the audacity to criticize the almighty one. Remember, the name of the team is the GREEN BAY PACKERS, not the Brett Favre Packers. There is not one member, past or present, of the GREEN BAY PACKERS, that is above criticism. I don't have to like every player simply becuase he put on the uniform. That attitude reeks of elitest BS.

Good that you to Donkeys agree, why don't you leave like some other asswipes did and start your own forum one strictly about bashing Favre and how much better this team will be without him. Fucking Donkey's/

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

Honestly, where do you come up with this bullshit? I guess I can just make shit up too, but honestly what fucking Green Bay Packer team have you been following for the last 17 years? Commitment? I could go into a rant about Favre's dedication to the game, but Ziggy pretty much did that and you glossed over it because retards like you don't understand being proved wrong.

[KYPack]

Well, well.

Leave it to that wise old sage, yet crusty curmudgeon Nutz, to put everything in perspective.

BTW, Nutroll...

You were so pissed, you spelled "of" wrong. It's "of", not 'fo'.

Yeah, I know these anti-BF posts spring from some kind of weird angst and off-season boredom, but they are still SO lame.

[cpk1994]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I think you're making the same mistake that the emotional Favre worshipers typically make. Nobody here complained about him not being a great player for most of his career. There was one complaint about the 29 pick year (not even a complaint by me, the guy who everyone's taking jabs at because I somehow hit a chord close to them).

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

There was nobody complaining about him being a bad player. As middle schooler and high schooler I'm happy I got to see Favre in his prime. The last three years, I'm sick of the whole act and was ready to see him go. I really don't think we're going to see much drop off. I believe the QB is overhyped on good teams and overscrutinized many times on bad teams. The Packers are on a good team. Rodgers will be overhyped the way Favre was last year and most of his career. If the team were bad, he'd be overscrtinized the way Favre was three years ago.

Keep fighting the good foight, JH. It is amazing how people get their panties in a bunch becuause someone has the audacity to criticize the almighty one. Remember, the name of the team is the GREEN BAY PACKERS, not the Brett Favre Packers. There is not one member, past or present, of the GREEN BAY PACKERS, that is above criticism. I don't have to like every player simply becuase he put on the uniform. That attitude reeks of elitest BS.

Good that you to Donkeys agree, why don't you leave like some other asswipes did and start your own forum one strictly about bashing Favre and how much better this team will be without him. Fucking Donkey's/

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

Honestly, where do you come up with this bullshit? I guess I can just make shit up too, but honestly what fucking Green Bay Packer team have you been following for the last 17 years? Commitment? I could go into a rant about Favre's dedication to the game, but Ziggy pretty much did that and you glossed over it because retards like you don't understand being proved wrong.

Nice to see you showing a complete lack of class. Did we touch someones nerve? Typical Favre worhshiper in that the can't respect the fact that some Packer fans aren't in awe of Lord Favre, so they resort to childish name callinb. In that spirit, let me lower myseff to Mr. Nutz's level [Nutz] "OH MY GOD, SOME IS DISSING MY LORD AND SAVIOR, BRETT FAVRE! STOP YOU BIG MEANIE. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
WAIT A MINUTE, I BETTER GO HOME AND JERK OFF TO MY FAVRE POSTER AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OK." [/Nutz][/quote]

[Deputy Nutz]

OMG!! I just put this topic out there for some good conversation. I did not expect you to start tearing each other apart. I can see all of your points from an objective non-packer fan view......but come on....Favre was great.....maybe a drama queen, but great.

I think you're making the same mistake that the emotional Favre worshipers typically make. Nobody here complained about him not being a great player for most of his career. There was one complaint about the 29 pick year (not even a complaint by me, the guy who everyone's taking jabs at because I somehow hit a chord close to them).

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

There was nobody complaining about him being a bad player. As middle schooler and high schooler I'm happy I got to see Favre in his prime. The last three years, I'm sick of the whole act and was ready to see him go. I really don't think we're going to see much drop off. I believe the QB is overhyped on good teams and overscrutinized many times on bad teams. The Packers are on a good team. Rodgers will be overhyped the way Favre was last year and most of his career. If the team were bad, he'd be overscrtinized the way Favre was three years ago.

Keep fighting the good foight, JH. It is amazing how people get their panties in a bunch becuause someone has the audacity to criticize the almighty one. Remember, the name of the team is the GREEN BAY PACKERS, not the Brett Favre Packers. There is not one member, past or present, of the GREEN BAY PACKERS, that is above criticism. I don't have to like every player simply becuase he put on the uniform. That attitude reeks of elitest BS.

Good that you to Donkeys agree, why don't you leave like some other asswipes did and start your own forum one strictly about bashing Favre and how much better this team will be without him. Fucking Donkey's/

There were complaints about his off season workout habbits.
There were complaints about his commitment to football.
There were people sick of his whole act when he should have been giving everything he had to the sport that gave him everything he has

Honestly, where do you come up with this bullshit? I guess I can just make shit up too, but honestly what fucking Green Bay Packer team have you been following for the last 17 years? Commitment? I could go into a rant about Favre's dedication to the game, but Ziggy pretty much did that and you glossed over it because retards like you don't understand being proved wrong.

Nice to see you showing a complete lack of class. Did we touch someones nerve? Typical Favre worhshiper in that the can't respect the fact that some Packer fans aren't in awe of Lord Favre, so they resort to childish name callinb. In that spirit, let me lower myseff to Mr. Nutz's level [Nutz] "OH MY GOD, SOME IS DISSING MY LORD AND SAVIOR, BRETT FAVRE! STOP YOU BIG MEANIE. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
WAIT A MINUTE, I BETTER GO HOME AND JERK OFF TO MY FAVRE POSTER AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OK." [/Nutz]

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Like I said I am sure there are some quality Bear and Viking forums for you to join. Troll

[HarveyWallbangers]

Let's just put it this way, I respect Javon Walker and Ahman Green's off season work ethic more than Favre's. I'd bet that just about every one of the 88 players on the current Packers roster want it more than Favre did at the end.

I don't want to take anything away from his career as a whole, but when he decided he didn't care to show up for all of the work, I really didn't care if he showed up at all. The (I'm bigger than the game that gave me all I have) act grew old.

Seriously you are so full shit it hurts. You might be the only pile of garabage I have ever heard question Favre's commitment to the game of football. Seriously you are about as dumb as the fucking dog in your avatar.

Agreed. Favre was in great shape for his age. Who cares when he started his offseason program and where he did it. Bottom line is that once he got here, he was ready to go. I won't question a veteran like Favre or Charles Woodson (guys that took "vacations" before starting their training at a location other than Green Bay). They know their bodies. They were in great shape and ready to play when they got back to Green Bay.