Is Rodgers Ready?

[Noodle]

Might as well jump in.

Favre is a complicated cat. That is, he's human.

He had huge pros -- like being one of the best QBs of all time and playing in over 270 games if you count play offs. We will likely never see a QB as tough, durable, strong or wily as Favre. Ever.

But for reasons that are hard to pinpoint, he struck me as not so much a team guy as a Favre guy, especially in the later years. That's not unusual in today's game, P. Manning comes off the same way, and it was certainly exacerbated by the increasing age difference between the team and Favre.

To me, Favre was in GB, but he was not of GB. For example, can anyone excuse the way Favre treated A-Rod when he got here? And though it appeared to get better, I've never gotten the sense that Favre took an active, interested role in grooming the heir apparent.

No, he didn't have to do that, but if you're going to deify him, shouldn't you expect him to do the classic NFL thing and help the younger player take your job (especially when you know there's no way in hell the younger guy will budge you until you say so).

If you want to worship a god, then I'd suggest Driver or even Reggie, two dudes who just ooze G&G and are/were team leaders not just by status but through active efforts to make teammates better.

[Tarlam!]

I feel privileged to have seen him play. I slammed him a few times during his playing days, but now that he's retired, I will light a candle for his memory rather than criticize him.

And Noodle, was he brought along by Majik? Did anybody help Favre into the NFL saddle? I bet Michele, who lives in GB, would tell you Favre was every bit GB. I think your post is way off mark.

He spoilt us fans rotten. The negative things being said seem to forget HE EARNED the RIGHT to be ornery.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, I don't dispute any of favres great accomplishments. He was a great great QB, and I was happy I got to watch him lineup for my team. I was very happy he HELPED put GB back on the football map. I am completely aware of him being the #1 contributor to our long run of .500 or better seasons.

All that being said in your quoting his wonderful records you forgot his interception record...or should I say you failed to document it. For all his talents and skills, after Holmgren left, no one held him accountable to put in the time in the film room. No one held him accountable for showing up with tendinitis every year because he wasn't working an offseason throwing program. No one held him accountable to play within the offense. They all just got on his cock like you are until MM came along.

Most people who lived in GB in those early BF years can tell you he was often out partying on saturday night and drunk off his rocker. If he woud have been committed during the sherman years like MM made him commit we might have won 2 more superbowls.

He was an iron man, tough as nails, and I wish he were back for one more committed year, but he was not infaliable. He was human, and me pointing out his human flaws in no way is it a case of me dismissing what he did accomplish or disrespecting the man. But remember, he was just that, a man, no more worthy of adolation than any other.

Charles Barkley did a commercial once saying "I am not a role model." If you have children I hope you teach them to live a good clean life and always strive to do the right thing. Teaching them to idolize a dude who was gifted with a cannon for an arm and remarkeable endurance to pain isn't why we are on this earth.

I do see where your coming from bobblehead, but how many year's has it been since Favre cleaned up his act?

That man claims to not even enjoy a single beer.

His addiction ''in a public announcement'' with Mke Holmgren's full support was for a painkiller. Was it vicodin?

I'm a Chistian and don't place Brett Favre before GOD.That claim is merely hollow and shameless rhetoric.The stuff of the purely ignorant.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you put him before God, but I guess it could read that way.

Again, I don't mean to dismiss his accomplishments, but I read the whole thing like this, there is validity to TT driving him out, but TT was not in the wrong.

BF did clean up the drug and alchohol no doubt, and he became a better man. Even after that he still never was "all football all the time" like an AJ Hawk. Through the sherman years he didn't have an offseason throwing program and kept getting tendinitis. He had a reason to miss minicamps nearly every year. During the season he didn't spend nearly the time in the film room that he did under Holmgren. Now granted his physical skills were so great that he was still near the top of the league most years.

Along came TT, a guy who stuck around the league on grit and effort alone. I agree with many that he doesn't necessarily have time for anyone who he doesn't think is 100% committed. He hires a guy he thinks can get BF back in line with his idea of an NFL player, and some head butting ensued that first year. You could read between the lines when MM was being diplomatic but basically saying "well, he threw 4 int's against the scout team today, I'm PISSED"

TT and MM stayed in lockstep demanding the time from BF that they put in themselves, and they made it very difficult for him not to comply. (did the same thing to woodsen incidentally). They stayed diplomatic in the press, but I would love to have seen and heard all that went on. In the end, BF capitulated and put in all the time and effort they demanded and the result was ONE play from the superbowl (and I am not blaming him for that by any means, that was a team loss).

During the offseason BF looked at it all and decided that if he couldn't get excused from OTA and minicamps anymore and if he was being held to a higher standard he just wasn't willing to put that in anymore, that is absolutely his right. As a matter of fact I applaud him for recognizing it and not trying to force the issue.

Believe me, the first time its 2nd and 4, and ARod gets sacked setting up 3rd and 12, I'm gonna be pissed and miss BF immensly. I'm under no illusion that Rodgers can step to that level this season if ever. I don't know if I'm glad MM and TT hardlined him or not. I was sure as hell glad last season, but this season I might wish they had cut him some slack.

For all my criticism of BF, I'll gladly admit he put more heart and soul into the game than anyone. I'll gladly admit that despite my post he put more time and effort into the offseason and filmroom than a lot of QB's. There are very few that I would take before him. But in the end I like TT and MM's aproach to it all, they want guys who live breath and sleep football, and there is no room for guys being half in on their team, and there sure as hell ain't room for no randy moss.

Man I certinly appreciate your ''this is how I see it, this is why I see it'' approach. Straight up no sass here it is stuff that few people here even hint they understand.That doesn't mean they don't as there are some very bright bulbs on ur Packerrat " Holiday tree''.

It's always been too obvious to me that TT was hired and was issued instructions by his boss (Bob Harlan). As a prime objective to make or break Favre but ultimately break Brett Favre.

The Packer organization was fed up after the Vikings win in 2004 playoff's.Favre looked terrible in that loss. Time for him to go!!

Somehow Favre perseveer'd three more seasons; but TT finally served a major objective, and funniest thing. People here will remain adament ''in denial'' of that. They want to believe he's really just some lame personality, when the facts remain, that getting Favre out was very difficult.To do so took just such a man as Ted Thompson is. Ultimately I predict such a man must fail.

It's about karma.

He was hired to do a job... yes.He did it because he certainly did little again this off season to attract Favre to 2008. Favre is looking at it all, and very well could get the juices flowing. Hahahaa. He is very competitive, but he's not stupid nor poor.

Ohhhhh " THE LITTLE DEVIL '' in me would love to see that, but it's been too hard on Favre and his loyal fans. It's sucked, the way the organization allowed it to go down.

but YES!!!! THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. Get out 'the wax'.

[woodbuck27]

Might as well jump in.

Favre is a complicated cat. That is, he's human.

He had huge pros -- like being one of the best QBs of all time and playing in over 270 games if you count play offs. We will likely never see a QB as tough, durable, strong or wily as Favre. Ever.

But for reasons that are hard to pinpoint, he struck me as not so much a team guy as a Favre guy, especially in the later years. That's not unusual in today's game, P. Manning comes off the same way, and it was certainly exacerbated by the increasing age difference between the team and Favre.

To me, Favre was in GB, but he was not of GB. For example, can anyone excuse the way Favre treated A-Rod when he got here? And though it appeared to get better, I've never gotten the sense that Favre took an active, interested role in grooming the heir apparent.

No, he didn't have to do that, but if you're going to deify him, shouldn't you expect him to do the classic NFL thing and help the younger player take your job (especially when you know there's no way in hell the younger guy will budge you until you say so).

If you want to worship a god, then I'd suggest Driver or even Reggie, two dudes who just ooze G&G and are/were team leaders not just by status but through active efforts to make teammates better.

Donald 'G&G' Driver !!

[cpk1994]

Why is any negative Favre comment almost always responded to with name-calling and extreme personal attacks? We get down on that type of activity in most all other situations.

How about unemotional discussion of their viewpoints?

Becuase almost all Favre fans believe in the credo "Brett Favre is a god and no one sall criticize him". and get all butthurt when someone dares to differ with that.

The problem is also that the name calling and personal attacks go both directions. A Favre criticism is met with a personal attack, which is responded to with another personal attack, and on and on.

Touche. I should not have stooped to Nutz level even though he was pissing me off with his childish antics.

At least I don't spew lies.

You have me mistaken for someone else probably JH). All I said is I didn't like his drama queen act and that he was a POS. That is an opinion. Therefore it is not a lie. Now you are the one who is lying and misrepresenting what I have posted. I gave my opinion and you have acted like a complete dick. You have proven my point over and over again that anytime someone gieves a negative on Favre, out come the personal attacks and namecalling. Thats all you have done. And you weren't the only one. At least the rest called my BS and let it stand at that. I can respect that tehey dont feel the way I do. Im sorry you can't handle it. You have serious issues to work out and this 4 year old crybaby shit from you is getting quite tired. Just grow up. Not everyone who is a Packer fan fellates Favre like you do.

[cpk1994]

Why is any negative Favre comment almost always responded to with name-calling and extreme personal attacks? We get down on that type of activity in most all other situations.

How about unemotional discussion of their viewpoints?

Becuase almost all Favre fans believe in the credo "Brett Favre is a god and no one sall criticize him". and get all butthurt when someone dares to differ with that.

What is ** your evidence to support your claim that any member is so foolhardy to even suggest Favre is GOD or a god?

Find ** it... or make an apology to the forum. A man backs himself up or learns less ignorance.

I'm pulling for you to grow.

Have you read any of this thread? I posted many times slamming Favre and Deputy Nutz threw a temper tantrum. You are either blind or on mind altering substances. My guess would be the latter becuase in this thread for the most part you have been posting to yourself.

I read this thread with embarassment the way people like you view Brett Favre cpk1994.

When will you grow up cpk1994?

What are you... about 20 - 24 year's of age?

If so you need lots of pain " all your's'' to even marginally get there cpk1994. Your attitude? Hows that working out?

Were you even coherent when you posted this? That is a serious question becuase I have no idea what you are saying. What I can make out proves my point. Negative about Favre, Farve worshipers attack. You wanted your eveidence, you just created your own.

[GBRulz]

Oh Noodle. I'm sorry, but you are WAY WAY off your rocker on this one. Now, I don't blame you in some of your thinking because you only know what the media feeds you. I would just like to share some local insight.

The relationship with Brett and Aaron is fine. Have I ever hung out with Brett discussing this? No, but I have hung out with Aaron several times. He will be the first to admit that no, they aren't best friends by any means, but he's always had a very good working relationship with Brett. Brett wouldn't recommend his "techniques" to anyone, so it's best for Aaron to just sit back and observe. He gets that. and as far as Brett distancing himself from the younger players in the past 3-4 years because of age is not true. It has more to do with him having to sever more emotional ties. He knew his time was coming and by not getting involved as much with the new players makes it easier for him to walk away. I hate the media for the way they have twisted this story around so bad.

Brett was every part GB. You have no idea what he and his wife were to this community. To say Brett wasn't GB is just, well, wrong.

And to say that Reggie and DD bleed G&G? yes, 100% right on about Driver. But Reggie? Reggie used the Packers to HIS personal gain. I won't go on and on, but again there are things that you don't hear in the media so that you can make a fair and balanced decision.

IMO, the Packer who bleeds g&g more than anyone is Gilbert Brown.

[RashanGary]

Johnny Grey is a great guy and a great Packer.

[bobblehead]

Man I certinly appreciate your ''this is how I see it, this is why I see it'' approach. Straight up no sass here it is stuff that few people here even hint they understand.That doesn't mean they don't as there are some very bright bulbs on ur Packerrat " Holiday tree''.

It's always been too obvious to me that TT was hired and was issued instructions by his boss (Bob Harlan). As a prime objective to make or break Favre but ultimately break Brett Favre.

The Packer organization was fed up after the Vikings win in 2004 playoff's.Favre looked terrible in that loss. Time for him to go!!

Somehow Favre persevered three more seasons; but TT finally served a major objective, and funniest thing. People here will remain adament ''in denial'' of that. They want to believe he's really just some lame personality, when the facts remain, that getting Favre out was very difficult.To do so took just such a man as Ted Thompson is. Ultimately I predct such a man must fail.

It's about karma.

He was hired to do a job... yes..He did it because he certainly did little again this off season to attract Favre to 2008. Favre is looking at it all, and very well could get the juices flowing. Hahahaa. He is very competitive, butt he's not stupid nor poor.

Ohhhhh " THE LITTLE DEVIL '' in me would love to see that, but it's been too hard on Favre and his loyal fans. It's sucked, the way the organization allowed it to go down.

but YES!!!! THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. Get out ''the wax''.

I'm not so sure TT was to get rid of favre as much as reign him in, if the result was favre going then so be it, Harlan was sure of one thing, sherman had lost control of the entire team and especially BF. I actually think TT would rather have favre around....but on TT's terms, not favres.

Harlan brought in TT to regain control, rebuild the roster (most of it anyway) and rebuild the character of the team. I think TT really knows how to build a team, I applaud everything he has done to be honest, even drafting brohm this year. TT is no stooge, he knows it takes a QB to have a great team and losing favre and just hoping ARod is good enough wasn't smart, so what does he do, he starts right away on the backup plan.

He also doesn't waste money on has been FA's looking for a payday. He simply stays young, stays cheap, keeps competition high, and pays those he sees as worthy, he also doesn't have an ego about "his guys" as he paid kampman, jenkins, and barnett who were all sherman guys. I think he will sign Grant too, if grant is being reasonable.

here's to hoping Arod is up to the task, and favre enjoying his time now, they both deserve it.

[KYPack]

Johnny Grey is a great guy and a great Packer.

It's poor form to criticize typos, but it's "Johnnie Gray", not 'Johnny Grey' .

You're right about one thing.

Great guy and one tough ballplayer.

A Packer all the way.

[Stevogbfan]

wow, you guys and gals only got a little off the question...

yes i think rodgers is ready, he's been here with brett and has been in mm's qb school for 3 years now,
i also think the packers have built a good team around him so they don't have to get everything from the qb.

i for one can't wait to see this year start, for the first time in 16 years something in gb will be really different
(not to say it was bad before) and it should be really fun to watch

[RashanGary]

wow, you guys and gals only got a little off the question...

yes i think rodgers is ready, he's been here with brett and has been in mm's qb school for 3 years now,
i also think the packers have built a good team around him so they don't have to get everything from the qb.

i for one can't wait to see this year start, for the first time in 16 years something in gb will be really different
(not to say it was bad before) and it should be really fun to watch

This is pretty much where I stand on it too. Who knows what will happen with Rodgers. Maybe we have to wait till next year when Brohm is ready to get the true heir. Maybe it's the guy after Brohm. Who knows, but it is compelling and should be a lot of fun either way.

[Deputy Nutz]

Why is any negative Favre comment almost always responded to with name-calling and extreme personal attacks? We get down on that type of activity in most all other situations.

How about unemotional discussion of their viewpoints?

Becuase almost all Favre fans believe in the credo "Brett Favre is a god and no one sall criticize him". and get all butthurt when someone dares to differ with that.

The problem is also that the name calling and personal attacks go both directions. A Favre criticism is met with a personal attack, which is responded to with another personal attack, and on and on.

Touche. I should not have stooped to Nutz level even though he was pissing me off with his childish antics.

At least I don't spew lies.

You have me mistaken for someone else probably JH). All I said is I didn't like his drama queen act and that he was a POS. That is an opinion. Therefore it is not a lie. Now you are the one who is lying and misrepresenting what I have posted. I gave my opinion and you have acted like a complete dick. You have proven my point over and over again that anytime someone gieves a negative on Favre, out come the personal attacks and namecalling. Thats all you have done. And you weren't the only one. At least the rest called my BS and let it stand at that. I can respect that tehey dont feel the way I do. Im sorry you can't handle it. You have serious issues to work out and this 4 year old crybaby shit from you is getting quite tired. Just grow up. Not everyone who is a Packer fan fellates Favre like you do.

Do you want some cheese with your whine?

[cpk1994]

Why is any negative Favre comment almost always responded to with name-calling and extreme personal attacks? We get down on that type of activity in most all other situations.

How about unemotional discussion of their viewpoints?

Becuase almost all Favre fans believe in the credo "Brett Favre is a god and no one sall criticize him". and get all butthurt when someone dares to differ with that.

The problem is also that the name calling and personal attacks go both directions. A Favre criticism is met with a personal attack, which is responded to with another personal attack, and on and on.

Touche. I should not have stooped to Nutz level even though he was pissing me off with his childish antics.

At least I don't spew lies.

You have me mistaken for someone else probably JH). All I said is I didn't like his drama queen act and that he was a POS. That is an opinion. Therefore it is not a lie. Now you are the one who is lying and misrepresenting what I have posted. I gave my opinion and you have acted like a complete dick. You have proven my point over and over again that anytime someone gieves a negative on Favre, out come the personal attacks and namecalling. Thats all you have done. And you weren't the only one. At least the rest called my BS and let it stand at that. I can respect that tehey dont feel the way I do. Im sorry you can't handle it. You have serious issues to work out and this 4 year old crybaby shit from you is getting quite tired. Just grow up. Not everyone who is a Packer fan fellates Favre like you do.

Do you want some cheese with your whine?

The only one whining and acting like a 4 year old is you. But keep your drivel coming. I can always use a great laugh.

[woodbuck27]

Man I certinly appreciate your ''this is how I see it, this is why I see it'' approach. Straight up no sass here it is stuff that few people here even hint they understand.That doesn't mean they don't as there are some very bright bulbs on ur Packerrat " Holiday tree''.

It's always been too obvious to me that TT was hired and was issued instructions by his boss (Bob Harlan). As a prime objective to make or break Favre but ultimately break Brett Favre.

The Packer organization was fed up after the Vikings win in 2004 playoff's. Favre looked terrible in that loss. Time for him to go!!

Somehow Favre perseveer'd three more seasons; but TT finally served a major objective, and funniest thing. People here will remain adament ''in denial'' of that. They want to believe he's really just some lame personality, when the facts remain, that getting Favre out was very difficult. To do so took just such a man as Ted Thompson is. Ultimately I predct such a man must fail.

It's about karma.

He was hired to do a job... yes. He did it because he certainly did little again this off season to attract Favre to 2008. Favre is looking at it all, and very well could get the juices flowing. Hahahaa. He's very competitive, but he's not stupid nor poor.

Ohhhhh " THE LITTLE DEVIL '' in me would love to see that, but it's been too hard on Favre and his loyal fans. It's sucked, the way the organization allowed it to go down.

but YES!!!! THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. Get out 'the wax'.

I'm not so sure TT was to get rid of favre as much as reign him in, if the result was favre going then so be it, Harlan was sure of one thing, sherman had lost control of the entire team and especially BF. I actually think TT would rather have favre around....but on TT's terms, not favres.

** woodbuck27... Your close to agreeing.

Harlan brought in TT to regain control, rebuild the roster (most of it anyway) and rebuild the character of the team. I think TT really knows how to build a team, I applaud everything he has done to be honest, even drafting brohm this year. TT is no stooge, he knows it takes a QB to have a great team and losing favre and just hoping ARod is good enough wasn't smart, so what does he do, he starts right away on the backup plan.

** woodbuck27... Yes.

He also doesn't waste money on has been FA's looking for a payday. He simply stays young, stays cheap, keeps competition high, and pays those he sees as worthy, he also doesn't have an ego about "his guys" as he paid kampman, jenkins, and barnett who were all sherman guys. I think he will sign Grant too, if grant is being reasonable.

** woodbuck27... Yes

here's to hoping Arod is up to the task, and favre enjoying his time now, they both deserve it.

** and... Yes