Jason Taylor one more time

[woodbuck27]

Here's 'the old story'.


Trade Rumor: Jason Taylor to the Packers?

Saturday, March 1st, 2008 by DanZinski

The new hot rumor is that Miami Dolphins defensive end and Dancing With the Stars participant Jason Taylor will be traded to the Green Bay Packers for 2nd and a 4th round pick.

Taylor wants out of Miami, and Bill Parcells seems amenable to giving veterans their freedom. Plus Parcells wants to stockpile as many draft picks as possible.

On the other hand, Taylor is still a productive player, and if the Dolphins hope to even be respectable in 2008, they’re going to need some solid veteran players like him on-hand.

I don’t see why Taylor wouldn’t welcome a trade to Green Bay. Being an All-Pro defensive end who went to the Packers after having never won a championship worked out pretty well for Reggie White. And Brett Favre is still there to work the same magic for Taylor that he worked for Reggie.

comment woodbuck27:

Too many holes based on the above. Jason Taylor won't join our team this season and likely never.

[The Leaper]

He pretty much has made it clear this is his last season barring some huge change of heart, so I can't see giving up more than a 4...and probably only a 5.

Taylor has made it clear this is his last year IN MIAMI. I would think if he changed teams that his stance on that subject would be likely to change significantly. The guy, like any player, wants to win...especially when he knows he only has a few years left.

He ain't gonna win in Miami anytime soon.

[KYPack]

why is this like the fourth thread on this? you guys talk like this is something with even a little possibility.

no one has ever mentioned JT and the pack in the same sentence... there are a bunch of other teams who are a lot more aggressive (aka stupid ?) than TT...

hate to say it since im all for it, but this is never ever gonna happen.

Well, I started this one based on the quote by Quentin Moses . I found his comments interesting. Jason was one of the building blocks of the Jim Bates D. Bates had Taylor, lockdown corners and an active MLB in Zach Thomas. Jimbo mixed all these components together and came up with the system we now use.

Taylor might not fit every team out there. But man, he would really help us in a number of ways. TT doesn't add a lot of vets, but when he does sign an experienced player, they are guys like JT. Taylor could teach our young DE's a few things from his bag of tricks and would even help an old dog like KGB. Kabeer could stand to improve against the run and Taylor might be able to show him a thing or two. As far as the young DE's, Taylor could help them become 2 way DE's. Good against the run and applying wide pass rush. Taylor coyuld also help mold Cullen Jenckins into a guy who can spot at both RDT and RDE.

I don't think it will happen, I'd give it a 10% chance of coming together, but i think it would be a great move for our defense.

[packers11]

pft.com

PACKERS INQUIRE ABOUT TAYLOR
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2008, 11:15 p.m.
The Green Bay Press-Gazette (via the Palm Beach Post) reports that the Green Bay Packers recently made an “exploratory inquiry” regarding the availability of Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor.

“Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber, you’d want to try to get him,” said Packers defensive tackles coach Bob Nunn, who was on the Dolphins’ staff from 2000 to 2002. “But I don’t get involved in anything like that.”

The real question is whether the Dolphins and the Packers could reach an agreement as to trade terms for a player who has publicly said that he plans to play only one more year.

And it would be ironic if the Packers finally acquired a guy who can make a Reggie White-style impact in the first year after the Hall of Fame quaterback who lobbied for such a move retired.

[KYPack]

GBPG says this....


Given that the Green Bay Packers desperately want to improve their pass rush this season, a late offseason trade for Jason Taylor can’t be completely ruled out.


With their high-priced pass-rush specialist Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila rehabilitating a surgically repaired knee, there’s added concern about the Packers’ ability to put the heat on opposing quarterbacks.

The Packers recently made an exploratory inquiry with the Miami Dolphins, who are trying to decide what to do with the disgruntled Taylor. In recent days, the Dolphins have indicated they’re interested in retaining Taylor, the defensive end who won the NFL’s defensive player of the year award in 2006.

Taylor, 33, appears to be more interested in playing for another team in 2008. He has said he would like to play one more year for a team that has a legitimate chance at a Super Bowl.

Working in the Packers’ favor is Taylor’s relationship with their defensive coordinator, Bob Sanders, and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn. Both coached Taylor when they were on the Dolphins’ staff during the early 2000s. Neither Nunn nor Sanders would say whether they’d push for General Manager Ted Thompson to acquire Taylor, but both lauded him as a player.

“Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber, you’d want to try to get him,” said Nunn, who was with the Dolphins from 2000 to 2002. “But I don’t get involved in anything like that.

“All I know is that when I coached him, he was a great football player and a great person. I hope it works out for him because he’s had such a great career, and I’d hate to see it end on a bad note in the public’s eye. The guy is such an outstanding individual and a great football player, and I just hope for the best for Jason and hope it ends well, and he’s able to compete for a Super Bowl.”

Sanders continues to employ the same defensive scheme that the Dolphins used during his tenure there from 2001 to 2004 but wouldn’t comment on whether Taylor would be a good fit for the Packers.

“Ted does a great job with that,” Sanders said. “I yield to him on all those situations.”

The Packers lost seven of their 36 sacks from last season when Thompson traded defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Cleveland Browns this offseason. Defensive end Aaron Kampman led the Packers with 12 sacks, while Gbaja-Biamila added 9½ in his first season in the reduced role of pass-rush specialist. Gbaja-Biamila didn’t play much on obvious run downs but got the bulk of his snaps when Sanders used his nickel defense.

The Packers felt they got their money’s worth out of Gbaja-Biamila even though his base salary last season was $5 million.

“I thought I had a good year last year and helped the team and was effective in my new role,” Gbaja-Biamila said today. “I was able to be fresh for key situations. I expect the same role (this season). I don’t expect anything different.”

Gbaja-Biamila’s salary jumps to $6.15 million this year and $7.3 million in 2009 if he’s on the roster. He needed unexpected knee surgery on May 29 to repair a meniscus tear. He isn’t participating in this week’s minicamp, and it’s not a given that he’ll be healthy when training camp opens on July 28.

Without Gbaja-Biamila on the practice field, it has meant more time for defensive ends Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter and rookie Jeremy Thompson. Also, Cullen Jenkins has played more at defensive tackle in part because of a rash of injuries to interior linemen.

If the Packers felt Gbaja-Biamila’s best days were behind him and didn’t think he was worth the money this season, they could dump him and go after Taylor, whose base salary this season is $7.5 million.

However, the Dolphins are believed to be seeking a second-round draft pick but might settle for a third- or fourth-round pick. That’s a high price for a player who has said he may play only one more season.

Thompson wouldn’t offer Oakland any more than a fifth-round pick last offseason for receiver Randy Moss, so it’s probably a long shot that he’d be willing to offer much more than that for a one-year player with a high salary.

If the Packers stand pat with their defensive line, they could consider using more of their blitz package, but Sanders still believes he has enough talent up front to pressure quarterbacks.

“I think it’s going to be very good,” Sanders said. “Aaron Kampman is in as good a shape as I’ve seen him. Mike Montgomery has gotten better. Kabeer had a tremendous number of pressures and a solid year in the sacks. A healthy Cullen Jenkins will really make a difference. With the addition of Jeremy, there’s a lot of potential for pass rush there.”

That's why a new thread. Everybody is talking about it again.

[bobblehead]

why is this like the fourth thread on this? you guys talk like this is something with even a little possibility.

no one has ever mentioned JT and the pack in the same sentence... there are a bunch of other teams who are a lot more aggressive (aka stupid ?) than TT...

hate to say it since im all for it, but this is never ever gonna happen.

Well, I started this one based on the quote by Quentin Moses . I found his comments interesting. Jason was one of the building blocks of the Jim Bates D. Bates had Taylor, lockdown corners and an active MLB in Zach Thomas. Jimbo mixed all these components together and came up with the system we now use.

Taylor might not fit every team out there. But man, he would really help us in a number of ways. TT doesn't add a lot of vets, but when he does sign an experienced player, they are guys like JT. Taylor could teach our young DE's a few things from his bag of tricks and would even help an old dog like KGB. Kabeer could stand to improve against the run and Taylor might be able to show him a thing or two. As far as the young DE's, Taylor could help them become 2 way DE's. Good against the run and applying wide pass rush. Taylor coyuld also help mold Cullen Jenckins into a guy who can spot at both RDT and RDE.

I don't think it will happen, I'd give it a 10% chance of coming together, but i think it would be a great move for our defense.

I think you overestimate JT's coaching ability, he may help mentor a bit, but its unlikely he is a better "trainer" than our current DL coach.

[BallHawk]

I'd say the chances are looking good that JT will be a Packer. Gut-feel but I think TT gets this done. It's all about the price, though. I could deal with a 2nd rounder, but I'd rather not give up a 4th.

[POLISHHAWK]

[quote="BallHawk"]I'd say the chances are looking good that JT will be a Packer. Gut-feel but I think TT gets this done. It's all about the price, though. I could deal with a 2nd rounder, but I'd rather not give up a 4th

Huh?

[BallHawk]

4th rounders are valuable. I think TT could get JT for a 2nd, period. Don't want the 'Fins squeezing extra picks outta us.

[DonHutson]

GBPG says this....


However, the Dolphins are believed to be seeking a second-round draft pick but might settle for a third- or fourth-round pick. That’s a high price for a player who has said he may play only one more season.

Thompson wouldn’t offer Oakland any more than a fifth-round pick last offseason for receiver Randy Moss, so it’s probably a long shot that he’d be willing to offer much more than that for a one-year player with a high salary.

Apples and oranges between Moss and Taylor. Taylor hasn't been a festering pile of suck for three years prior to the trade. Taylor has an impeccable record for keeping himself in shape and for being an ideal team mate. He's even handling his exit starategy far more delicately than most players would. There is no chance that Taylor comes in and destroys your team chemistry. There is simply far less risk involved in acquiring Taylor than in acquiring Moss last year.

The guy is two years removed from being the NFL Defensive Player of the Year. He produced at a high level last year on an awful team with no help around him. The only downside is the one more year thing. But it sounds like he's softening on that. If he commits to two more years, I'd give up a third in a heartbeat and I might even consider a second. In the long run, you'd likely come out ahead with the draft pick but there's a good chance Taylor could be a guy that puts you over the top for a title. That's well worth a roll of the dice.

[Zool]

Also Taylor has yet to say he used the Packers as leverage to go where he really wanted to go.

[The Leaper]

I can't see Thompson giving up 2 draft picks for Taylor...but I can see him giving up one pick. I'm guessing a 3rd round pick is eventually what it would take to snag Taylor...the Dolphins know they are rebuilding the next 2 years, and a draft pick is more valuable going forward than Taylor is.

[DonHutson]

Now Mort's on board. From espn.com:

Wolf influencing Taylor trade talks?

Thursday, June 19, 2008

The news that the Green Bay Packers have genuine interest in Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor makes so much sense that you can almost feel Ron Wolf's fingerprints on the speculated deal.

Wolf is the revered former Packers GM who mentored current GM Ted Thompson. Wolf is also a consultant for Bill Parcells, the Dolphins VP of football operations.

Wolf has long anquished over the lack of "deal-makers" in the NFL, past and present. There were a handful -- Parcells and Wolf among them -- but not enough. And even in retirement, Wolf has lamented the lack of risk-taking, if you can call it that, in quest of the ever-elusive Super Bowl ring.

Thompson has been more conservative than Wolf. He has cherished draft picks, seemingly obssessed with them. In his first four years as the Packers' GM, he had the mission of rebuilding a team with salary-cap issues. Now the Packers are $30 million under the cap, still one of the youngest teams in the NFL and coming off an appearance in the NFC Championship Game.

Now consider Thompson's possible vision for the next two years. Brett Favre is gone, and even though there is some confidence about Aaron Rodgers' ability to get the job done, nobody knows for sure. The Packers also have defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila coming off knee surgery. Their capable cornerbacks, Al Harris and Charles Woodson, are in their latter years. And Corey Williams, their best interior pass-rusher, was traded to Cleveland for a second-round draft pick after the team briefly halted his free-agent bid by placing the franchise tag on him.

A second-round pick also happens to be the Dolphins' asking price for Taylor. Can the Packers afford to give up next year's second-rounder? Probably. The pick Green Bay acquired in the Williams deal was one of three second-rounders the team used in this year's draft.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Thompson has had discussions with defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn about Taylor. Both spent time coaching with the Dolphins before landing in Green Bay.

Taylor could fill a void at right defensive end, which would allow the team to move Cullen Jenkins to defensive tackle, filling the void left by Williams and also providing the depth the Packers need with former first-rounder Justin Harrell still plagued by injuries. Taylor playing on the opposite side of Pro Bowl DE Aaron Kampman would also allow Gbaja-Biamila to rehab without risk and provide the Packers with more verstaility.

What needs to happen to get the deal done? Taylor has to commit to playing at least two more years, as opposed to his "intentions" to play one more season, which could chill Thompson's desire to give up a second-round pick.

True, Taylor has played his entire career in the warmth of South Florida and sees his future in the paradise of Southern California.

Reggie White once sensed his destiny in Green Bay and saw it fulfilled with a Super Bowl championship.

You know who brought White to a place few players wanted to go? Wolf did in what was one of the stunning developments of free agency in the early '90s.

This one is worth watching.

[MadtownPacker]

With Taylor the defense will dominate IMO. Too many reason to do this and not a damn one not to. TT need to pull the trigger. Taylor will play two more years for sure. He just want to have a chance to win games. He will have that chance in GB.

[Packnut]

Trade

With Taylor the defense will dominate IMO. Too many reason to do this and not a damn one not to. TT need to pull the trigger. Taylor will play two more years for sure. He just want to have a chance to win games. He will have that chance in GB.

This is one of those rare trades that would be good for both sides. Miami is re-building and needs draft picks. We are only a piece or two away from solid SB contention (assuming Rodgers is an adequate QB).

GET THIS DONE!