2 Tackles And Half A Sack

[HarveyWallbangers]

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

One word. Redskins.

Because every team adds talent. That's the beauty of the NFL offseason. Most of the time you win because you have young players that become good players--not because you acquired big names. It's so important that you have team chemistry, guys that fit your scheme, and coaching. You also normally need a solid QB.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

One word. Redskins.

Another bad example.

I'm guessing you are refering to the year they added Dion and Bruce Smith. Any fool could have seen how stupid that was, adddng old has-been talent with huge dead-money signing bonuses. Allen is 26 and has had more sacks in the last 4 years than anybody.

[sharpe1027]

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

History. Just last year San Fran was everyone's dark horse pick because they made a big splash in free agency. Redskins are that way every year. Have you forgotten how Herschel Walkers was once touted as the Vikings ticket to the superbowl? History is not on your side.

[Packnut]

For several seasons now, the Vikings have been the "winner" at FA, but they've failed to improve much, if at all. The Allen acquisition just looks like anojhter in a long lone of failed additions that look good on paper, but fail to add much to the team.

Awhile back, the addition of Sharper was gonna put The Queens in the Super Bowl. Look how that one worked out.

KC might be the winner of the Allen deal.

Was this thread started with the intent to point out bad journalism, because this might be one of the most uninformed threads I've read.

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

Comparing Allen with the Chiefs vs. the pack is a stupid comparison, he will be playing with much better players along side him. By the way K. Williams is an excellent pass rusher.

The Vikes have made many good FA moves. The most notible failure was Smoot, but Sharper, Winfield, P. Williams, Hutchinson, and Chester Taylor were all good moves.

Yes pack fans.....Allen is good, and was a great trade for the Vikings. He will make an impact, although probably one you won't like.

WRONG. Good offensive tackles can render ANY DE impotent much like your opinion is on this debate. In fact, chipping or keeping aTE in can also do the same thing IF a tackle is having problems.

Also, since you are confused about my intent, I'll spell it out for you. Since the Vikes and Pack will more than likely be the front-runners in the division, I was pointing out that writing an "Allen is the football messiah" article without the context of how it relates in their rivalry with the Pack is point-less IMO.

Yes, Allen will more than likely feast on the bottom of talent in the NFC. However, Tausher and Clifton are the best tackle pass defending duo in the NFL. THAT cannot be disputed. I also was pointing out, that in the one contest that was played, it is a FACT that Allen had no effect on the game.

I'm not dealing in may-be's and what ifs. Since we have no proof of what Allen will do on the Vikes line, I prefer to deal with what I have already seen rather than what could be and what I have seen leads me to believe that Allen is the least of my concerns when it comes to GB/Minny since Allen can't complete a pass much like Tavaris Jackson...........

[SMACKTALKIE]

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

History. Just last year San Fran was everyone's dark horse pick because they made a big splash in free agency. Redskins are that way every year. Have you forgotten how Herschel Walkers was once touted as the Vikings ticket to the superbowl? History is not on your side.

So there was never a time, or a team that added the best pass rushing DE available and reaped the rewards?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[SMACKTALKIE]

For several seasons now, the Vikings have been the "winner" at FA, but they've failed to improve much, if at all. The Allen acquisition just looks like anojhter in a long lone of failed additions that look good on paper, but fail to add much to the team.

Awhile back, the addition of Sharper was gonna put The Queens in the Super Bowl. Look how that one worked out.

KC might be the winner of the Allen deal.

Was this thread started with the intent to point out bad journalism, because this might be one of the most uninformed threads I've read.

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

Comparing Allen with the Chiefs vs. the pack is a stupid comparison, he will be playing with much better players along side him. By the way K. Williams is an excellent pass rusher.

The Vikes have made many good FA moves. The most notible failure was Smoot, but Sharper, Winfield, P. Williams, Hutchinson, and Chester Taylor were all good moves.

Yes pack fans.....Allen is good, and was a great trade for the Vikings. He will make an impact, although probably one you won't like.

WRONG. Good offensive tackles can render ANY DE impotent much like your opinion is on this debate. In fact, chipping or keeping aTE in can also do the same thing IF a tackle is having problems.

Also, since you are confused about my intent, I'll spell it out for you. Since the Vikes and Pack will more than likely be the front-runners in the division, I was pointing out that writing an "Allen is the football messiah" article without the context of how it relates in their rivalry with the Pack is point-less IMO.

Yes, Allen will more than likely feast on the bottom of talent in the NFC. However, Tausher and Clifton are the best tackle pass defending duo in the NFL. THAT cannot be disputed. I also was pointing out, that in the one contest that was played, it is a FACT that Allen had no effect on the game.

I'm not dealing in may-be's and what ifs. Since we have no proof of what Allen will do on the Vikes line, I prefer to deal with what I have already seen rather than what could be and what I have seen leads me to believe that Allen is the least of my concerns when it comes to GB/Minny since Allen can't complete a pass much like Tavaris Jackson...........

Are you speaking about the same QB that has 8 more wins than Rodgers. That's not a what if.

[sharpe1027]

So there was never a time, or a team that added the best pass rushing DE available and reaped the rewards?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Nobody said that.

I don't buy lottery tickets because I think it is a waste of money even though I know that people have won in the past.

[sharpe1027]

Are you speaking about the same QB that has 8 more wins than Rodgers. That's not a what if.

He also has a bunch more losses than ARod. We all know Arod is unproven, we'll have to see how he does. T.J., however, has been proven, so far, to be average at best.

[Packnut]

Allen

For several seasons now, the Vikings have been the "winner" at FA, but they've failed to improve much, if at all. The Allen acquisition just looks like anojhter in a long lone of failed additions that look good on paper, but fail to add much to the team.

Awhile back, the addition of Sharper was gonna put The Queens in the Super Bowl. Look how that one worked out.

KC might be the winner of the Allen deal.

Was this thread started with the intent to point out bad journalism, because this might be one of the most uninformed threads I've read.

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

Comparing Allen with the Chiefs vs. the pack is a stupid comparison, he will be playing with much better players along side him. By the way K. Williams is an excellent pass rusher.

The Vikes have made many good FA moves. The most notible failure was Smoot, but Sharper, Winfield, P. Williams, Hutchinson, and Chester Taylor were all good moves.

Yes pack fans.....Allen is good, and was a great trade for the Vikings. He will make an impact, although probably one you won't like.

WRONG. Good offensive tackles can render ANY DE impotent much like your opinion is on this debate. In fact, chipping or keeping aTE in can also do the same thing IF a tackle is having problems.

Also, since you are confused about my intent, I'll spell it out for you. Since the Vikes and Pack will more than likely be the front-runners in the division, I was pointing out that writing an "Allen is the football messiah" article without the context of how it relates in their rivalry with the Pack is point-less IMO.

Yes, Allen will more than likely feast on the bottom of talent in the NFC. However, Tausher and Clifton are the best tackle pass defending duo in the NFL. THAT cannot be disputed. I also was pointing out, that in the one contest that was played, it is a FACT that Allen had no effect on the game.

I'm not dealing in may-be's and what ifs. Since we have no proof of what Allen will do on the Vikes line, I prefer to deal with what I have already seen rather than what could be and what I have seen leads me to believe that Allen is the least of my concerns when it comes to GB/Minny since Allen can't complete a pass much like Tavaris Jackson...........

Are you speaking about the same QB that has 8 more wins than Rodgers. That's not a what if.

Like the immortal Hawk Harrelson (White Sox announcer) likes to say, "don't tell me how much you hit, tell me when you hit em".

Don't just look at his 15.5 sacks but examine who they cam against. He had his best game of the season against guess who? Yep, those same Vikings that signed him. He also had multi-sack games against Cincy, Oakland, Detroit and the Jets. Oooohhhh, yeah that's real IMPRESSIVE!

As for Jackson, even any football challenged mind would tell you he

SUCKS!

Using the Rodgers comparison is quite feeble since in their only common opponent:

Jackson was a whopping eye popping 6-19 at Dallas for a mind-numbing 72 yds and ZERO td's.

Against the same opponent in less playing time, A-Rod was 18-26 for 201 yds and 1 td.

Nough said.......................

[Lurker64]

Well, Jared Allen is certainly not going to help the Vikings run defense. As a Chief, he got so many sacks because he would frequently (and selfishly) gamble for them by giving up outside contain. A few games last year demonstrated that you can run outside against the Vikings, and Allen certainly isn't going to help with that.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Allen

For several seasons now, the Vikings have been the "winner" at FA, but they've failed to improve much, if at all. The Allen acquisition just looks like anojhter in a long lone of failed additions that look good on paper, but fail to add much to the team.

Awhile back, the addition of Sharper was gonna put The Queens in the Super Bowl. Look how that one worked out.

KC might be the winner of the Allen deal.

Was this thread started with the intent to point out bad journalism, because this might be one of the most uninformed threads I've read.

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

Comparing Allen with the Chiefs vs. the pack is a stupid comparison, he will be playing with much better players along side him. By the way K. Williams is an excellent pass rusher.

The Vikes have made many good FA moves. The most notible failure was Smoot, but Sharper, Winfield, P. Williams, Hutchinson, and Chester Taylor were all good moves.

Yes pack fans.....Allen is good, and was a great trade for the Vikings. He will make an impact, although probably one you won't like.

WRONG. Good offensive tackles can render ANY DE impotent much like your opinion is on this debate. In fact, chipping or keeping aTE in can also do the same thing IF a tackle is having problems.

Also, since you are confused about my intent, I'll spell it out for you. Since the Vikes and Pack will more than likely be the front-runners in the division, I was pointing out that writing an "Allen is the football messiah" article without the context of how it relates in their rivalry with the Pack is point-less IMO.

Yes, Allen will more than likely feast on the bottom of talent in the NFC. However, Tausher and Clifton are the best tackle pass defending duo in the NFL. THAT cannot be disputed. I also was pointing out, that in the one contest that was played, it is a FACT that Allen had no effect on the game.

I'm not dealing in may-be's and what ifs. Since we have no proof of what Allen will do on the Vikes line, I prefer to deal with what I have already seen rather than what could be and what I have seen leads me to believe that Allen is the least of my concerns when it comes to GB/Minny since Allen can't complete a pass much like Tavaris Jackson...........

Are you speaking about the same QB that has 8 more wins than Rodgers. That's not a what if.

Like the immortal Hawk Harrelson (White Sox announcer) likes to say, "don't tell me how much you hit, tell me when you hit em".

Don't just look at his 15.5 sacks but examine who they cam against. He had his best game of the season against guess who? Yep, those same Vikings that signed him. He also had multi-sack games against Cincy, Oakland, Detroit and the Jets. Oooohhhh, yeah that's real IMPRESSIVE!

As for Jackson, even any football challenged mind would tell you he

SUCKS!

Using the Rodgers comparison is quite feeble since in their only common opponent:

Jackson was a whopping eye popping 6-19 at Dallas for a mind-numbing 72 yds and ZERO td's.

Against the same opponent in less playing time, A-Rod was 18-26 for 201 yds and 1 td.

Nough said.......................

Another poor example.

That would be the same game Favre started correct? So you are drawing your conclusion from a game where the opposing D planned to play against a QB who has seen everyting? Once defenses start doing their homework on Rodgers the pack is going to see some different looks from opposing D's than they have seen in some time.

[Tony Oday]

But we already know what jump pass looks like so I dont think you can get much worse. face it Jump pass Jackson is an also ran QB that will be replaced after this year to save chili's kick ass offense.

[Zool]

Re: Allen

That would be the same game Favre started correct? So you are drawing your conclusion from a game where the opposing D planned to play against a QB who has seen everyting? Once defenses start doing their homework on Rodgers the pack is going to see some different looks from opposing D's than they have seen in some time.

First, are you comparing Allen to Reggie White? On a Packers board no less? Even if you're trolling, thats just dumb. Thats like saying the Vikes traded for Brooks Bollinger just like the Packers traded for Favre.

If a tackle can eliminate your brand new DE by himself the entire game, then its hardly a season changing trade. That's the point. Young guys on the Vikes improving will be the difference, not 1 new player.

[Patler]

Why is it so ridiculous to think the addition of talent will make a football team better?

Comparing Allen with the Chiefs vs. the pack is a stupid comparison, he will be playing with much better players along side him. By the way K. Williams is an excellent pass rusher.

The Vikes have made many good FA moves. The most notible failure was Smoot, but Sharper, Winfield, P. Williams, Hutchinson, and Chester Taylor were all good moves.

Yes pack fans.....Allen is good, and was a great trade for the Vikings. He will make an impact, although probably one you won't like.

Hasn't the signing of big name free agents by the Vikings been an annual even since at least 2004 when they first signed Winfield? Over that time we have seen them sign reasonably big name FAs at vitually every position. Just off the top of my head I can think of:

Defense - Winfield, Smoot, Sharper, Tank Williams, Leber, Pat Williams, Doss

Offense - Wiggins, Marcus Robinson, Hutchinson, Longwell, Travis Taylor, Chester Taylor, Tony Richardson, Dez White, Bethel Johnson.

Some more than others, but all were considered very good signings, and where has it really gotten the Vikings.

Now this year its Allen, Williams, Berrian, etc. who are supposed to make the difference.

That's a lot of signings in just the last 5 years, and where has it really gotten the Vikings? How many FA receivers and DBs have they signed, "to make the difference?"

Sometimes collecting players and building a team are not the same thing. So far the Vikings have only collected players.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Allen

That would be the same game Favre started correct? So you are drawing your conclusion from a game where the opposing D planned to play against a QB who has seen everyting? Once defenses start doing their homework on Rodgers the pack is going to see some different looks from opposing D's than they have seen in some time.

First, are you comparing Allen to Reggie White? On a Packers board no less? Even if you're trolling, thats just dumb. Thats like saying the Vikes traded for Brooks Bollinger just like the Packers traded for Favre.

If a tackle can eliminate your brand new DE by himself the entire game, then its hardly a season changing trade. That's the point. Young guys on the Vikes improving will be the difference, not 1 new player.

I was just referring to history, and the potential a good DE provides for a team.......not trying to ruffle feathers.

The excitement stems from the fact that a pass rush will help the secondary in a number of ways. With an improved pass rush and solid run D things look good for the Vikings D.