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    Sydney Speaks! Enough already!
    By Harry Sydney
    mybrotherskeeperinc@hotmail.com
    Posted Jul 4, 2008

    Packer Report's Harry Sydney offers his thoughts on the rumors of Brett Favre's return to football.

    As I was working and listening to my favorite sports radio station I heard something that almost made me fall out my seat. At first I thought I was hearing things, but all of a sudden I realized I heard that HE WANTS TO COME BACK!

    So my first reaction was basically no reaction. To be honest with you, I actually half expected it because I hadn’t heard his name in a while, but talk about not wanting to be forgotten or replaced.

    Sometimes I just wonder if Brett enjoys the off-the-field mind games as much as it appears? I remember time after time I talked about Brett holding this team hostage or I would talk about how everyone wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt even though he seemed to enjoy playing the puppet master time after time, but no one thought it could be possible. What about those of you who thought all Brett thought about was the team?

    My question now is if everything reported is true, what do you think of what Brett is doing now? Do you think he is thinking about what is best for this organization or what is best for him? Do you think he thought of the ramifications? If he didn’t, let me try to explain just a few of the effects!

    First, Ted Thompson has to decide on whether or not he can allow Brett to come back because the organization started to go in a different direction, so is he supposed to put on the brakes? How does he talk about being committed to Aaron Rodgers? Mike McCarthy already gave him the keys and said to him, “This is now your team, Aaron.” Now because Brett Favre decided he’s bored everything has to change?

    How would this be Ted’s team if he lets Favre come back? Then again, what’s he supposed to say to Brett? Is Ted going to say, “Look, Brett, you are one of the greatest. You put us back on the map and you are a first ballot Hall of Famer, but I can’t let you come back.”

    Ted can’t tell him to stay away or he would have years ago when Brett first started the “What am I going to do?” soap opera. Now let’s pretend that Ted does what he needs to and tells Brett, “Sorry, this is Aaron’s team.” Then what? Do the Packers try to trade him and look like fools if Brett has a great year and Aaron Rodgers struggles? What if Brett comes back and Aaron decides that he has had enough and needs a change of scenery and demands a trade and is granted one? Or when his contract is up just leaves? This organization would look like fools.

    Speaking of Aaron Rodgers maybe what he said in Sports Illustrated had more meaning then any of us really knew. Maybe he is tired of putting his career on hold, especially since Brett seems to never go away. What about the other players? Aren’t they going to be forced to have to pick a side? That isn’t good for any team.

    Could Ted Thompson release Brett? How could he just let Brett Favre walk away without getting something for him? Then what can you really get from him and who are you going to trade with?

    These are all things that I really don’t think that Ted or Mike expected to have to deal with this summer. They had to be looking forward to a new era starting, but instead they have to be saying, “Here we go again.”

    I remember seeing that press conference and I saw a man that said he had nothing left. I remember him saying all the right things. I bought it. I saw a man that appeared to have been satisfied with life and I will admit it I was truly touched just as many of you were. Today I am sad because I’m seeing another great one not get it. Sometimes it’s hard for all of us to understand when it’s time to say enough, but when one’s actions keep over-shadowing an organization’s then it’s time.

    Brett needs to stop because I want to remember my old teammate and respect him for what he brought to the game. So I guess there is a reason those retirement papers never were sent to the league office, but, then again, ENOUGH ALREADY!

    Harry Sydney is a former fullback and assistant
    more freedom, less government. Go Sarah!

  • #2
    Well said Harry.

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    • #3
      BF to the phins for Jayson Taylor. 2 guys with one season left, the phins get a veteran QB to mentor a young QB and teach him how to throw 29 picks on a bad team.
      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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      • #4
        I don't think Brett would play for the Dolphins. In fact, Brett could simply threaten to pull a Jake Plumber and effectively eliminate the trade market for his services altogether. If he said that he'll stay retired if traded, then no one would give up anything for his rights.

        Given that the Packers silence speaks louder than words that they are committed to moving on without him (and I think the time is right to do that), this is a bad situation that could get worse for the Packers.

        They essentially would have to ask a favor of a team with whom they have a good relationship and trade his rights to that team (with an assurance that they won't turn around and release him) for someone who won't make either squad - thereby forcing his retirement and maintaining the status quo.

        But if Brett decided to come back and play for that team, it would essentially be like releasing him since the Packers would get nothing for him, but they could control the situation and ensure that he doesn't go to the Vikings or Bears...

        Whatever happens, unless Brett comes out and says he has decided to stay retired or unless the team decides to go back on its commitment to moving forward with Rodgers (after Brett refused to make a commitment to the team by putting in what it takes to maximize the chances of success and after the team spent two draft picks on replacing his spot), the team has a PR nightmare on its hands, a quarterback that will be bigtime on the defensive and a team whose otherwise great chemistry now has the potential to be fractured.

        Thanks Brett. I've been as big a fan of yours as any, but you sure are screwing the team over bigtime this offseason with your continued waffling. Clear up the situation now by publicly announcing that you're adhering to your commitment to being retired.

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        • #5
          Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

          Originally posted by motife
          Brett needs to stop because I want to remember my old teammate and respect him for what he brought to the game.
          I find it assinine that so many people think they can dictate what Favre must do. So he changed his mind and wants to play some more. Big Crime. The selfish ones are those who put their own fantasies about how things need to play-out ahead of FAvre's right to make choices about his own life.

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          • #6
            Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
            Originally posted by motife
            Brett needs to stop because I want to remember my old teammate and respect him for what he brought to the game.
            I find it assinine that so many people think they can dictate what Favre must do. So he changed his mind and wants to play some more. Big Crime. The selfish ones are those who put their own fantasies about how things need to play-out ahead of FAvre's right to make choices about his own life.
            Coupla comments. Firstly, the fans pay the bills around the NFL, so it's never asinine for a fan of a ball club to have an opinion.

            Secondly, the story/rumor is having an effect on our ball club. As far as I can gather so far, it is a negative effect and it is at least dividing fans. Maybe even the players, but that is just speculation.

            The facts today aren't really known to us. But if Brett decides to come out of retirement, it is hardly a choice that affects "his own life" only. It affects us all.

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            • #7
              Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

              Originally posted by Tarlam!
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

              I find it assinine that so many people think they can dictate what Favre must do. So he changed his mind and wants to play some more. Big Crime. The selfish ones are those who put their own fantasies about how things need to play-out ahead of FAvre's right to make choices about his own life.
              Coupla comments. Firstly, the fans pay the bills around the NFL, so it's never asinine for a fan of a ball club to have an opinion.

              Secondly, the story/rumor is having an effect on our ball club. As far as I can gather so far, it is a negative effect and it is at least dividing fans. Maybe even the players, but that is just speculation.

              The facts today aren't really known to us. But if Brett decides to come out of retirement, it is hardly a choice that affects "his own life" only. It affects us all.
              In a way, I agree with both HH's and Tarlam's remarks. No, it is not up to anyone to dictate Favre's decision, it is his to make. But yes, his decision does impact a lot of other people who have the right to express their opinions. However, Harry Sidney's rights as a former teammate are now no different than any other fan's rights. He has no "right" to remember Favre any specific way, and it is not Favre's responsibility to ensure that he does.

              It really is no longer that big of a deal, in my opinion. Favre can do whatever he wants, and the Packers will do whatever they want to in response. If Favre wants to play, he can. But just like any other player under contract to the Packers, the Packers will decide if he plays for Green Bay. Favre will not decide that. If having him back is too much of a distraction to the team, the plans already made for the season, the plans made for the future or the roster for 2008; the Packers will move him off their roster one way or another. Sure, some fans will be very upset by that, but they will get over it, especially if the Packers' planning for the future has been good.

              Colt fans never expected to see Unitas in another uniform. 49er fans never expected to see Montana or Rice in other uniforms. They got over it, and Packer fans will too if Favre plays for another team. There are many similar examples in all sports. This happens somewhat regularly when a team's succession plan and a veteran's retirement plan do not match perfectly.

              Favre and Packer fans really have nothing to criticize the Packers for if they decide to move on without Favre, even if he wants to continue playing. He forced them to look for, bring in and groom a successor by appearing to be on the verge of retirement four years ago. Sure, any player can retire at anytime, but Favre fostered a feeling that his retirement was imminent. It would have been negligent for the Packer management not to take definitive steps to have a successor, especially when Favre made it very clear that he was strongly considering retirement at any time. If that plan has now bypassed Favre, he brought it on himself.

              The Packers will make a business decision based on what they believe is in the best interest of the Packers, and that is exactly what they are obligated to do. Fans sometimes forget that for the players football is a job, and for coaches and GMs its a business to be run by making sound business decisions, not emotional ones.

              An interesting aspect to this is that by "retiring" and coming back, Favre will have facilitated his release, if that is what happens. It will be easier for the Packers to release him in the present circumstances than if he had never announced his retirement in the first place.

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              • #8
                The one person who I have a little sympathy for in this saga is Aaron Rodgers. He is screwed any which way. Imagine the pressure on him if Favre is starting on another team?

                But I won't cry any tears for AR. Maybe a little sniffle.

                The least likely scenario is that Favre sits at home next fall. If he's been working out, he wants to play ball.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                  The one person who I have a little sympathy for in this saga is Aaron Rodgers. He is screwed any which way. Imagine the pressure on him if Favre is starting on another team?

                  But I won't cry any tears for AR. Maybe a little sniffle.

                  The least likely scenario is that Favre sits at home next fall. If he's been working out, he wants to play ball.
                  Ya, the only way for Rodgers to come out OK with Favre on another team is if Rodgers has a very solid year, and the 24 interception/year version of Favre returns.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

                    Originally posted by Patler
                    Originally posted by Tarlam!
                    Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

                    I find it assinine that so many people think they can dictate what Favre must do. So he changed his mind and wants to play some more. Big Crime. The selfish ones are those who put their own fantasies about how things need to play-out ahead of FAvre's right to make choices about his own life.
                    Coupla comments. Firstly, the fans pay the bills around the NFL, so it's never asinine for a fan of a ball club to have an opinion.

                    Secondly, the story/rumor is having an effect on our ball club. As far as I can gather so far, it is a negative effect and it is at least dividing fans. Maybe even the players, but that is just speculation.

                    The facts today aren't really known to us. But if Brett decides to come out of retirement, it is hardly a choice that affects "his own life" only. It affects us all.
                    In a way, I agree with both HH's and Tarlam's remarks. No, it is not up to anyone to dictate Favre's decision, it is his to make. But yes, his decision does impact a lot of other people who have the right to express their opinions. However, Harry Sidney's rights as a former teammate are now no different than any other fan's rights. He has no "right" to remember Favre any specific way, and it is not Favre's responsibility to ensure that he does.

                    It really is no longer that big of a deal, in my opinion. Favre can do whatever he wants, and the Packers will do whatever they want to in response. If Favre wants to play, he can. But just like any other player under contract to the Packers, the Packers will decide if he plays for Green Bay. Favre will not decide that. If having him back is too much of a distraction to the team, the plans already made for the season, the plans made for the future or the roster for 2008; the Packers will move him off their roster one way or another. Sure, some fans will be very upset by that, but they will get over it, especially if the Packers' planning for the future has been good.

                    Colt fans never expected to see Unitas in another uniform. 49er fans never expected to see Montana or Rice in other uniforms. They got over it, and Packer fans will too if Favre plays for another team. There are many similar examples in all sports. This happens somewhat regularly when a team's succession plan and a veteran's retirement plan do not match perfectly.

                    Favre and Packer fans really have nothing to criticize the Packers for if they decide to move on without Favre, even if he wants to continue playing. He forced them to look for, bring in and groom a successor by appearing to be on the verge of retirement four years ago. Sure, any player can retire at anytime, but Favre fostered a feeling that his retirement was imminent. It would have been negligent for the Packer management not to take definitive steps to have a successor, especially when Favre made it very clear that he was strongly considering retirement at any time. If that plan has now bypassed Favre, he brought it on himself.

                    The Packers will make a business decision based on what they believe is in the best interest of the Packers, and that is exactly what they are obligated to do. Fans sometimes forget that for the players football is a job, and for coaches and GMs its a business to be run by making sound business decisions, not emotional ones.

                    An interesting aspect to this is that by "retiring" and coming back, Favre will have facilitated his release, if that is what happens. It will be easier for the Packers to release him in the present circumstances than if he had never announced his retirement in the first place.


                    Excellent post.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      The one person who I have a little sympathy for in this saga is Aaron Rodgers.


                      I feel bad for the organization. They might not have drafted 2 QB's this year if Brett wouldn't have retired.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

                        Originally posted by Patler

                        Colt fans never expected to see Unitas in another uniform. 49er fans never expected to see Montana or Rice in other uniforms. They got over it, and Packer fans will too if Favre plays for another team. There are many similar examples in all sports. This happens somewhat regularly when a team's succession plan and a veteran's retirement plan do not match perfectly.
                        Hornung to the Saints...
                        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          The one person who I have a little sympathy for in this saga is Aaron Rodgers.


                          I feel bad for the organization. They might not have drafted 2 QB's this year if Brett wouldn't have retired.
                          I actually think they still might have. They had in clear intention of going a QB in round 7; but they felt like one fell to them. They still might have grabbed him for PS development. Through six rounds nobody else wanted him.
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

                            Originally posted by MJZiggy
                            Originally posted by Patler

                            Colt fans never expected to see Unitas in another uniform. 49er fans never expected to see Montana or Rice in other uniforms. They got over it, and Packer fans will too if Favre plays for another team. There are many similar examples in all sports. This happens somewhat regularly when a team's succession plan and a veteran's retirement plan do not match perfectly.
                            Hornung to the Saints...
                            Thankfully, we never had to see Hornung in a Saints uniform. After being selected in the expansion draft, he retired because of his neck injury.

                            Seeing Taylor play for the Saints and Forrest Gregg for Dallas was bad enough, especially Gregg in Dallas!

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                            • #15
                              Maybe we didn't have to see him play, but there was enough gnashing of teeth and rendering of garments nonetheless
                              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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