SOME PACKERS EXPECT TO GET “OUR QUARTERBACK” BACK

[Scott Campbell]

I don't buy the notion that Favre's indecision is threatening to tear the team apart. If our locker room is that fragile, we don't stand a chance of winning shit anytime soon.

True. But the media going through the roster and asking guys to pick one or the other isn't exactly the conventional recipe for team cohesiveness. The team doesn't need this crap. Chemistry plays a major role in team sports.

[RashanGary]

I don't buy the notion that Favre's indecision is threatening to tear the team apart. If our locker room is that fragile, we don't stand a chance of winning shit anytime soon.

True. But the media going through the roster and asking guys to pick one or the other isn't exactly the conventional recipe for team cohesiveness. The team doesn't need this crap. Chemistry plays a major role in team sports.

Right, and Aaron Rodgers has a lot of friends in the lockerroom. He gets his hopes up every year to have them let down. Why? Because that stupid Diva can't make up his mind whether or not he will play a game that Rodgers and many others would probably play for free (and did when they signed up at JR colleged with little to no chance at ever making it to the NFL). Let Favre go. Even if he does play well, he's just not worth it with his piss poor, selfish, ignorant act.

[Bretsky]

Favre's decision has torn the fan base in two. The team is not split. They are all 100% committed to winning regardless who the QB is. They understand that either one of them gives them a helluva shot at the playoffs this year. I understand that as well. My feelings on this one are based on the presumption that Rodgers will feel taken advantage of, wish his career would take him elsewhere, and depart after 2009 if we bring Favre back this year. I truly believe that Rodgers is the future QB of this franchise and do not want to risk anything that could potentially drive him away. Even if that means finally closing the door on Favre.

I certainly understand and respect this view; just don't agree

I assume you also disliked the Brewer trade then ? They in essense potentially sacrificed the future for the present.

[woodbuck27]

1. Projecting one's own viewpoint on 53 other people is a bit presumptive, no?

Sure it is presumptive...but that hardly is evidence that my presumption is wrong.

2. It was all there in front of them LAST season. Why would it be different this year?

Um...because Aaron Rodgers has about as much experience leading an NFL team as I do. 1. His recent bonehead comments pretty much confirm as much.

Brett Favre is clearly still one of the best 5 QBs in the NFL...his performance last year spoke for itself. To suggest that Aaron Rodgers is anywhere close to Favre is ridiculous. 2. Rodgers remains a vast mystery that none of us really have any clue about yet. We are HOPING he pans out...but there is precious little evidence to confirm that he will.

Favre has a ring. He has 3 MVP awards. 3.He has every passing record imaginable. I'm guessing he's got a little more evidence on his side, but maybe I'm wrong.

4.Favre gives Green Bay the best chance to win a title in 2008. 5. That is a bona fide FACT, Shadow. I know it. You know it. The players know it. That is why they will almost unanimously support Favre's return.

1. I believe that is also one of the Favre records that would be hard to eclipse.
2. So, at one time, was Tom Brady (6th round?). So was Bart Starr (17th round??).
Johnny Unitas????!!!
3. The (FIG) or Foolish Interception Game-ender record is the one that really worries me - and it reared it's ugly head yet again last season to derail another shot at a championship.
At 38, that particular horrible tendency is not likely to change, especially when remembering the troubling "I am not going to change my game" comment from a few years back.
4. Quite possibly, since Rodgers is, as you quite correctly point out, a somewhat unknown factor at this point. But last season was yet another illustration of Favre's inability to complete the ultimate job.
In all fairness, you must admit that the ONLY Super Bowl win under his helm came when Ron Wolf assembled easily the best team talent in the NFL around him. (And, with virtually the same team the next year, it was inexcusable to lose to the Broncos).
I do think he was great in helping the team come along from Point A to Point B - or further. But I don't think he - unless Ted Thompson suddenly acquires 5 more All Pros - is going to take the Packers to a Super Bowl.
5. A fact? Where is your evidence? In truth, no one knows. Aaron Rodgers might be the next Jay Fiedler - or the next Steve Young.
But I do know that you don't move forward by moving backwards.
Finally, I think team chemistry is HUGE. The message you send, the standards you set, and the belief that the team is bigger than any individual player, is an integral part of building a champion.
Favre was a vastly entertaining player with a unique skill set. He should cease eroding his legacy by gracefully leave the stage, and not claw at the curtains on his way offstage.
Just my opinion (I can't suggest the entire 53 man roster unanimously agrees with it....)

Good post.

[Scott Campbell]

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

[The Leaper]

1. Projecting one's own viewpoint on 53 other people is a bit presumptive, no?

Sure it is presumptive...but that hardly is evidence that my presumption is wrong.

2. It was all there in front of them LAST season. Why would it be different this year?

Um...because Aaron Rodgers has about as much experience leading an NFL team as I do. 1. His recent bonehead comments pretty much confirm as much.

Brett Favre is clearly still one of the best 5 QBs in the NFL...his performance last year spoke for itself. To suggest that Aaron Rodgers is anywhere close to Favre is ridiculous. 2. Rodgers remains a vast mystery that none of us really have any clue about yet. We are HOPING he pans out...but there is precious little evidence to confirm that he will.

Favre has a ring. He has 3 MVP awards. 3.He has every passing record imaginable. I'm guessing he's got a little more evidence on his side, but maybe I'm wrong.

4.Favre gives Green Bay the best chance to win a title in 2008. 5. That is a bona fide FACT, Shadow. I know it. You know it. The players know it. That is why they will almost unanimously support Favre's return.

1. I believe that is also one of the Favre records that would be hard to eclipse.
2. So, at one time, was Tom Brady (6th round?). So was Bart Starr (17th round??).
Johnny Unitas????!!!
3. The (FIG) or Foolish Interception Game-ender record is the one that really worries me - and it reared it's ugly head yet again last season to derail another shot at a championship.
At 38, that particular horrible tendency is not likely to change, especially when remembering the troubling "I am not going to change my game" comment from a few years back.
4. Quite possibly, since Rodgers is, as you quite correctly point out, a somewhat unknown factor at this point. But last season was yet another illustration of Favre's inability to complete the ultimate job.
In all fairness, you must admit that the ONLY Super Bowl win under his helm came when Ron Wolf assembled easily the best team talent in the NFL around him. (And, with virtually the same team the next year, it was inexcusable to lose to the Broncos).
I do think he was great in helping the team come along from Point A to Point B - or further. But I don't think he - unless Ted Thompson suddenly acquires 5 more All Pros - is going to take the Packers to a Super Bowl.
5. A fact? Where is your evidence? In truth, no one knows. Aaron Rodgers might be the next Jay Fiedler - or the next Steve Young.
But I do know that you don't move forward by moving backwards.
Finally, I think team chemistry is HUGE. The message you send, the standards you set, and the belief that the team is bigger than any individual player, is an integral part of building a champion.
Favre was a vastly entertaining player with a unique skill set. He should cease eroding his legacy by gracefully leave the stage, and not claw at the curtains on his way offstage.
Just my opinion (I can't suggest the entire 53 man roster unanimously agrees with it....)

Good post.

Bad post.

[Gunakor]

Favre's decision has torn the fan base in two. The team is not split. They are all 100% committed to winning regardless who the QB is. They understand that either one of them gives them a helluva shot at the playoffs this year. I understand that as well. My feelings on this one are based on the presumption that Rodgers will feel taken advantage of, wish his career would take him elsewhere, and depart after 2009 if we bring Favre back this year. I truly believe that Rodgers is the future QB of this franchise and do not want to risk anything that could potentially drive him away. Even if that means finally closing the door on Favre.

I certainly understand and respect this view; just don't agree

I assume you also disliked the Brewer trade then ? They in essense potentially sacrificed the future for the present.

No they didn't. They gave up LaPorta, but still have a wealth of talent remaining in thier farm system. One single player didn't make the Brewers farm system one of the best in the league. Mat Gamel has a good chance to become as good a big league player as LaPorta. And if the team revenue increases like many hope it will - especially if the Brewers can make the playoffs this year, since that will result in more tickets sold in 2009 - there might just be enough to resign Prince and then we don't need a replacement at 1B for him anyway. I'm not gonna speculate on what the Brewers are going to do in the offseason, but with more money comes better options.

There is a difference between the two that must be understood. MLB does not have a shared revenue system like the NFL does. Team payrolls aren't comparable to one another. So when a small market team like the Brewers have a chance to make a move like this they have to do it. Otherwise the window closes as players bolt to teams with higher payrolls where they can make more money. It takes moves like this to make a small market team competitive with the big boys like New York or Chicago or Boston.

Besides that, the only way to increase our own payroll here in Milwaukee is to increase attendance. What better way to do that then bring in left handed ace CC Sabathia to pair up with right handed ace Ben Sheets? It puts butts in the seats, increasing the team bottom line. That translates into more money to resign Sheets or Sabathia or Fielder, or go after high profile FA's in the offseason. It allows the team the opportunity to remain competitive. Again, I'm not going to speculate on what the Brewers are going to do, but better options are available now.

[sharpe1027]

No they didn't. They gave up LaPorta, but still have a wealth of talent remaining in thier farm system. One single player didn't make the Brewers farm system one of the best in the league. Mat Gamel has a good chance to become as good a big league player as LaPorta. And if the team revenue increases like many hope it will - especially if the Brewers can make the playoffs this year, since that will result in more tickets sold in 2009 - there might just be enough to resign Prince and then we don't need a replacement at 1B for him anyway. I'm not gonna speculate on what the Brewers are going to do in the offseason, but with more money comes better options.

There is a difference between the two that must be understood. MLB does not have a shared revenue system like the NFL does. Team payrolls aren't comparable to one another. So when a small market team like the Brewers have a chance to make a move like this they have to do it. Otherwise the window closes as players bolt to teams with higher payrolls where they can make more money. It takes moves like this to make a small market team competitive with the big boys like New York or Chicago or Boston.

Besides that, the only way to increase our own payroll here in Milwaukee is to increase attendance. What better way to do that then bring in left handed ace CC Sabathia to pair up with right handed ace Ben Sheets? It puts butts in the seats, increasing the team bottom line. That translates into more money to resign Sheets or Sabathia or Fielder, or go after high profile FA's in the offseason. It allows the team the opportunity to remain competitive. Again, I'm not going to speculate on what the Brewers are going to do, but better options are available now.

Not expressing an opinion on the Favre sitatuion, the Brewers also stand to gain a crapload of first rounder picks to restock their system if Prince and/or CC leave.