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  • Favre wanting to come back is not a problem.

    Aaron Rodgers was given the reigns but he would be a real hard headed numb skull if he couldn't understand why the Packers would consider taking Favre back. Favre did have a great year last year and appears to have another similar year left in him.

    The biggest reason I think Favre is the best fit right now is the Oline. They have a bunch of athletic guys who are built for moving protections and stretch zone runs but they have two immobile tackles. It makes it hard to have the mvoing pockets and stretch runs that seem to be staples of the zone teams with Tauch and Cliffy still holding down their spots. Favre is best when standing in the pocket at this point in his career and I"d have to think he's better at it that Rodgers will ever be. The interior line was a weak link last year, but they should be physically stronger and that will allow the Packers to focus more on the inside zone runs and traditional drop back pockets that suite Favre so well right now.

    I, personally, do not really like Brett Favre because I think he's a selfish diva and a below average teammate at this point in his career but he is a very good player and once TC starts he does commit everything to football and the team. I'll be glad when he's finially retired, but I don't think now has to be the time for Favre or the Packers. If he were to come back, I'd want him to tell McCarthy he is ready to fully commit. Not 85% because he already had his 15% break this off season. He'd have to be the first one there and the last one to leave all season and leave it all on the field. He still has more than enough, but he has to keep that mental edge like he had last year because his body isn't cashing the checks it did 10 years ago and with all of this trouble, he needs to make sure it's worth everyones time.

    The bottom line is that I think the Packers could still use Favre and if Favre still wants to play this is still the obvious best spot for him considering the success last year and the improvements from all of the young players. I don't see why it can't happen and like Thompson says "this is a big boy league", Rodgers will have to adjust. He's still going to be walking into a fantastic situation next season (maybe even better than this season if they can get an athletic OT or two to play to Rodgers strengths and with the improvements from Nelson/Jones/Jennings/Jackson/Finley/K. Hall/Interior line). If Rodgers wants to leave, he's really just leaving a great door wide open for Brohm. I wouldn't want to leave if I were Rodgers. Things are too good here right now and while he might be licking his chops to take over thsi team right now, he'd have to realize it's going to be harder anywhere else he goes.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    Re: Favre wanting to come back is not a problem.

    Originally posted by JustinHarrell
    I, personally, do not really like Brett Favre because I think he's a selfish diva and a below average teammate at this point in his career
    come on dude
    To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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    • #3
      I would stop way short of calling Favre a "selfish diva" and "bad teammate" for the same reason that I discount the likelihood of this whole misadventure.

      NOTHING that we know for a fact about Favre's attitude, motivation, behavior, etc. gives any indication of ANY of the crap--not pushing to come back, not making trouble, none of it.

      It's ALL the shit put out by the God damned media bastards.
      What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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      • #4
        1) We know Brett has a hard time saying goodbye, so this turn of events is not surprising to me.

        2) The only thing he really did was hold a press conference and say he was retiring (tears included)

        3) A-Rod has been handed the keys, but is not as worthy of trust as Brett. So, would you take the unknown commodity that might not be able to stay healthy for a season or a proven winner who still has something left in the tank? I say if he wants to come back, we have a better chance of winning now than we do with A-Rod. Winning is the goal, and winning now is an important consideration.

        4) What will TT and the front office do regarding Favre? Are they even considering him as a viable option right now to help the Packers win (the ultimate goal of course). Are they fed up dealing with the will he, wont't he play situation? I think they should put their frustration on the back-burner and see what Favre has left and decide whether he can still do it and help the Packers win. The players would welcome Favre back, except perhaps A-Rod.

        5) Who has really been hurt by Favre's situation? If you don't get your underwear in a bunch and just look at chance to win vs. the unknown player waiting in the wings, which way do you go? I say, if he wants to play, we are better off getting another year out of Favre and taking our chances with him, and A-Rod can always play if Favre loses it or gets hurt.

        6) Is A-Rod entitled to the job as starting QB, or should Brett have a shot at his old job, despite his hemming and hawing? I don't think Brett's hesitation should be a factor in whether he comes back or not. I don't think A-Rod should feel entitled to the job, but if he can outplay Favre in training camp, so be it.

        7) What does bringing Favre back do to A-Rod's phyche? Should the Packers care? I think he'd be upset, but I think the Packers biggest concern should be winning football games and deciding what gives them the best chance to do that, not coddle a players feelings. They don't even need to coddle Brett, just realize whether he can play winning football like he did last year.
        "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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        • #5
          A good thread and a lot of very good points by JH

          I was listening to the ESPN national media for much of today while traveling in the car. On a national level, most of the people leading the talk shows thinks GB is insane for considering letting Favre walk. I would say I enjoy listening to Colin Cower (he's entertaining) and Mike Turico (he's good).

          I've been torn about this Brewer trade and now the Packers considerations with Favre have similarities. I've flip flopped my view on the Brewer deal to become more consistent with what Green Bay should do.

          It will surprise nobody that my view with each situation is

          WIN NOW

          Seize the moment.

          The last time the Brewers were in the playoffs ET was in the movie Theatre

          It's been over 10 years now since Green Bay has been in the Super Bowl
          We were close last year. Time to go for the gusto.


          Most of us work our ass off...some at jobs we hate...for the future
          We get married and have kids....looking towards the future
          401K's are for the future

          SPORTS is fun
          SPORTS is all about now

          We know what we have with Brett Favre, and we IMO are Super Bowl contenders

          We don't know what we have with AROD; even I am high on him now but it's an opinion without a lot enough evidence. It's my view with AROD we are playoff contenders

          Seize the moment; Green Bay should bring whatever QB allows us to win now
          If the Packer brass can look themselves in the mirror and say that is AROD then that should be their decision. If it's Favre, bring him back.

          If they are faced with a decision, I'm sure it will be nitpicked regardless of what it is so I hope they make the right choice.
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky
            Seize the moment; Green Bay should bring whatever QB allows us to win now
            If the Packer brass can look themselves in the mirror and say that is AROD then that should be their decision. If it's Favre, bring him back.

            If they are faced with a decision, I'm sure it will be nitpicked regardless of what it is so I hope they make the right choice.

            I agree. If they think Favre gives them the best chance they should take him back. They have him on a year to year deal and although it's a lot of money, it's not too bad with the way the cap has gone up and it's very short term, not some long strapping deal. There is very little downside to bringing Favre back. Aaron might be upset, but he'd be stupid to go elsewhere. Even if he doesn't get his chance till next year, this is still the best open situation for a QB in the league. He should be happy no matter what.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bretsky
              [b]

              WIN NOW

              The only problem with that, is that this team is not really built to win now, they are built to be consistantly good and the possibility to win often today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. Does Brett give us a chance to win now? Sure, as long as we don't have to play in the cold where Brett was the biggest pussy on the field in the Chicago and New York games. Does Brett coming back help us in the future, hell no. It just pushes back Aaron's development, and possibly damage that opportunity.

              I'm hoping this is all BS and he stays retired for the good of our franchise, NOT just for today.
              "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ND72
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                [b]

                WIN NOW

                The only problem with that, is that this team is not really built to win now, they are built to be consistantly good and the possibility to win often today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. Does Brett give us a chance to win now? Sure, as long as we don't have to play in the cold where Brett was the biggest pussy on the field in the Chicago and New York games. Does Brett coming back help us in the future, hell no. It just pushes back Aaron's development, and possibly damage that opportunity.

                I'm hoping this is all BS and he stays retired for the good of our franchise, NOT just for today.
                What are you smoking? They've got another two years with the young, excellent fleet of young players before salaries will explode for the team. TT has done a great job at drafting and as a result many of our players are some of the best values (see Harveys thread). Will this team be able to compete when Jennings, Bigby, Williams, Lee, Grant, etc all want big bucks?

                Some of the reactions around here are nuts. Stunt Rodgers development? So what? Does anyone really think that cake boy is the long term answer?

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                • #9
                  I agree with much of Justin's post...many good thoughts.

                  ND72...this team is not built to win now??? How the hell did they go 13-3 last year then? How the hell did they reach the NFCC game and push the eventual Super Bowl champs into overtime?

                  Some of you Rodgers supporters really look like pathetic ignorant fools. This team IS built to win now. We have a tremendous mix of talent...both veteran and young. Key guys like Clifton, Tauscher, Harris, Woodson and Driver don't have many years left.

                  This team has the talent to be a title contender when you put an experienced QB in charge. You can sit here and yap all you want about Favre's game ending INTs...but he's the one who carried the team to that point in the first place.

                  With Rodgers, there will be no game ending INT in the NFCC game...because you ain't gonna be in the NFCC game.
                  My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Leaper
                    Some of you Rodgers supporters really look like pathetic ignorant fools.


                    Just remember what Brett said:

                    "I'm much more aware of how hard it is to win in this league and to play at a high level. I'm not up to the challenge anymore."

                    People didn't just start doubting Brett all by themselves. Brett put that doubt there.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Leaper
                      With Rodgers, there will be no game ending INT in the NFCC game...because you ain't gonna be in the NFCC game.
                      Just to let you know, you're supposed to be a Packer fan not a Favre fan. Statements like this make you look really.....well not smart.
                      Originally posted by 3irty1
                      This is museum quality stupidity.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zool
                        Originally posted by The Leaper
                        With Rodgers, there will be no game ending INT in the NFCC game...because you ain't gonna be in the NFCC game.
                        Just to let you know, you're supposed to be a Packer fan not a Favre fan. Statements like this make you look really.....well not smart.

                        Completely disagree; it shows he's analyzing the whole season with the data given to him. Favre was probably the third best QB in the NFL last year in the regular season....for sure top 5. I don't think it's ignorant at all to argue we don't get to the NFC Title Game without Favre leading the team last year.

                        I also think it's good to point out that we have some aging vets still playing at a very high level.......Harris, Clifton, Tauscher, Woodson, Driver....as obvious examples. Playing for down the road....we don't know if the replacements are going to be as good or better.

                        If you want to argue AROD gives us the best chance to win right away I'm fine with going with him; but I don't see many or any arguing that. In sports, I still think you play for now rather than 2, 3, or 4 years later. Because you just don't know what will occur.
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Leaper
                            I agree with much of Justin's post...many good thoughts.

                            ND72...this team is not built to win now??? How the hell did they go 13-3 last year then? How the hell did they reach the NFCC game and push the eventual Super Bowl champs into overtime?

                            Some of you Rodgers supporters really look like pathetic ignorant fools. This team IS built to win now. We have a tremendous mix of talent...both veteran and young. Key guys like Clifton, Tauscher, Harris, Woodson and Driver don't have many years left.

                            This team has the talent to be a title contender when you put an experienced QB in charge. You can sit here and yap all you want about Favre's game ending INTs...but he's the one who carried the team to that point in the first place.

                            With Rodgers, there will be no game ending INT in the NFCC game...because you ain't gonna be in the NFCC game.
                            Ya gotta consider the source. ND is the same guy who said Favre was done BEFORE last season and should retire. In one of our more spirited debates, he stated Favre was hurting the team by not retiring and had nothing left. How did that opinion work out for him? Could he have been any more wrong?

                            Favre bitch slapped his moronic opinions right upside his head last season so it's only natural that his anti-Favre BS would increase. No one likes to be proven ignorant. ND ended up with HUGE egg on the face...............

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                            • #15
                              I think ND is a solid poster and has a reputation here of treating others with respect.

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