Murphy : ..as an organization.. we're going to move on..

[Bretsky]

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Eventually, the Packers will consider the issue a matter of Favre keeping his word.

This is a lame perspective. If a player decides to come out of retirement, they haven't broken their word.

I'm a little tired of the spin that the Packers are damaged by Favre wanting to return to football. It simply gives them more choices. The only "damage" is that TT could look bad if he makes a choice that ends up being less successful than other options might have been. So what.

Holy shit! HH said something deep, intuitive and insightful. And didn't follow it up with a comment about La Leche League or a backhanded crack about the Nutz/Murphy/MTP love triangle! Hell hath indeed frozen over!

Anyways, fully agree. Favre returning in and of itself SHOULD NOT hurt the Packers. If they allow it to fracture the dressing room, or something of the sort, that's on them (MM and TT) not Favre.

I also don't get all this crap about Favre coming back after he's done. There's an article about it at Sportsline, comparing him to some other stars that went back out when they shouldn't have, like Reggie, Deon (his return with Baltimore), Rice (in Seattle) or Bruce Smith - but those guys stuck around after they were struggling to earn a roster spot. Favre is still easily top ten, arguably top 5 at his position.

Favre returning to the packers will indeed hurt the team now. MM has staked his control and command of this team on all veterans participating in mini's and OTA's unless they are injured. If he lets favre do an end around his law and reinstitutes him as a starter what message is sent to woodson and harris who have come around and capitulated to MM's demands?? How about the rookies who have bought into his message of being 100% dedicated to the team and winning.

If they let favre come back in and hand him the starters job it sends a horrendous message. One thing that makes great coaches great is having complete control of a football team.

It says somebody can retire and change his mind.

As Harlan correctly noted Green Bay can elect to not take him back if they choose. To if the brass is overwhelmingly concerned with any message it sends they have the option to trade him for little or release him so he can choose his new home.

[Bretsky]

Re: Murphy : ..as an organization.. we're going to move on..

Eventually, the Packers will consider the issue a matter of Favre keeping his word.

This is a lame perspective. If a player decides to come out of retirement, they haven't broken their word.

I'm a little tired of the spin that the Packers are damaged by Favre wanting to return to football. It simply gives them more choices. The only "damage" is that TT could look bad if he makes a choice that ends up being less successful than other options might have been. So what.

The damage is all the speculation and uncertainty, not that Brett wants to return to football. Brett seems to be in no hurry to clear up the mystery. Brett needs to simply tell the team what he's doing, so the franchise can figure out what its going to do. Everybody is waiting on him.

Play. Or Retire. I don't really care which. But make up your fucking mind already.

Agree

NFL Live had the GB reporter interviewed tonight. Mike Vandermouse....something like that. He had a pretty strong opinion that the Packers are trying pretty hard behind the scenes to convince Brett Favre to stay retired. Probably in their best interests.....but if Favre wants to play I too wish it'd get over with too.

[Scott Campbell]

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It says somebody can retire and change his mind.

As Harlan correctly noted Green Bay can elect to not take him back if they choose. To if the brass is overwhelmingly concerned with any message it sends they have the option to trade him for little or release him so he can choose his new home.

I agree, he can change his mind. Why not?

But the team can't do squat until he stops leaking info about unreturned text messages, and playing silly media games with Bus Cook and his mom, and actually tells us what he's going to do.

[Scott Campbell]

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Agree

NFL Live had the GB reporter interviewed tonight. Mike Vandermouse....something like that. He had a pretty strong opinion that the Packers are trying pretty hard behind the scenes to convince Brett Favre to stay retired. Probably in their best interests.....but if Favre wants to play I too wish it'd get over with too.

I think it's horse shit if the Packers are trying to convince him to stay retired. If they didn't try and tell a grown man whether to play football or hang it up before his retirement, why butt in now?

[Bretsky]

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It says somebody can retire and change his mind.

As Harlan correctly noted Green Bay can elect to not take him back if they choose. To if the brass is overwhelmingly concerned with any message it sends they have the option to trade him for little or release him so he can choose his new home.

I agree, he can change his mind. Why not?

But the team can't do squat until he stops leaking info about unreturned text messages, and playing silly media games with Bus Cook and his mom, and actually tells us what he's going to do.

We can only theorize what's going on now. My guess is it's all behind the scenes.

Should be interesting to see how this unfolds. If there is open communication they are probably talking. If not, Green Bay might receive a letter stating I want back and then they will have to deal with it one way or the other.

[Scott Campbell]

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We can only theorize what's going on now. My guess is it's all behind the scenes.

The entire thing should have been played out behind the scenes. This shows a lack of respect for both parties involved.

[Bretsky]

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Agree

NFL Live had the GB reporter interviewed tonight. Mike Vandermouse....something like that. He had a pretty strong opinion that the Packers are trying pretty hard behind the scenes to convince Brett Favre to stay retired. Probably in their best interests.....but if Favre wants to play I too wish it'd get over with too.

I think it's horse shit if the Packers are trying to convince him to stay retired. If they didn't try and tell a grown man whether to play football or hang it up before his retirement, why butt in now?

Just curious if you have watched the recent interviews with Bob Harlan and Mark Murphy. The overwhelming tone was he had a great run, made a hard decision, it's natural to have second thoughts, and we're all moving forward.
Maybe I analyze too much; but it wasn't hard to read the message.

And if they don't want him, it probably makes it easier on the management if Favre does not come back. They'd rather have him stay retired than release him or trade him for a mid to late round pick and deal with the controversy

[Scott Campbell]

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Agree

NFL Live had the GB reporter interviewed tonight. Mike Vandermouse....something like that. He had a pretty strong opinion that the Packers are trying pretty hard behind the scenes to convince Brett Favre to stay retired. Probably in their best interests.....but if Favre wants to play I too wish it'd get over with too.

I think it's horse shit if the Packers are trying to convince him to stay retired. If they didn't try and tell a grown man whether to play football or hang it up before his retirement, why butt in now?

Just curious if you have watched the recent interviews with Bob Harlan and Mark Murphy. The overwhelming tone was he had a great run, made a hard decision, it's natural to have second thoughts, and we're all moving forward.
Maybe I analyze too much; but it wasn't hard to read the message.

And if they don't want him, it probably makes it easier on the management if Favre does not come back. They'd rather have him stay retired than release him or trade him for a mid to late round pick and deal with the controversy

I didn't see it, but read the quotes. Not too subtle, and a little inappropriate if the organization really prides itself on helping the guy make an informed decision, but ultimately his own decision.

As Karl Malone used to say "Brett gotta do, what Brett gotta do".

[Bretsky]

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We can only theorize what's going on now. My guess is it's all behind the scenes.

The entire thing should have been played out behind the scenes. This shows a lack of respect for both parties involved.

You are certainly right; if only we knew how it all unfolded. So many hypotheticals. What if...etc.....it's seems that Favre for whatever reason, was not comfortable dealing with it the right way.

Maybe he did make the call and was given an impression they don't want him back....maybe not. The whole thing is one messed up situation.

[Scott Campbell]

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And if they don't want him, it probably makes it easier on the management if Favre does not come back. They'd rather have him stay retired than release him or trade him for a mid to late round pick and deal with the controversy

If I were Ted, I'd go public with this message. "Brett, we love ya. Call us and tell us if you want to play, or want to hang it up. Then we can help you work it out. Until then, were kind of stuck. So just let us know. Soon please."

[Scott Campbell]

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You are certainly right; if only we knew how it all unfolded.

All I know is that every piece of the early info seemed to be leaked from Brett's camp, not the Packers.

[Scott Campbell]

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Maybe he did make the call and was given an impression they don't want him back....maybe not.

It could be the Packers weren't convinced that he was completely serious. He's not exactly known for his decisiveness on the matter.

[falco]

Re: Murphy : ..as an organization.. we're going to move on..

Maybe he did make the call and was given an impression they don't want him back....maybe not.

It could be the Packers weren't convinced that he was completely serious. He's not exactly known for his decisiveness on the matter.

agreed - perhaps the entire packers front office and coaching staff is a bit uncomfortable hanging their careers on someone who is having a hell of a time committing to playing

[RashanGary]

There were a couple good main points here.


1. I also thought the way Harlan and Murphy approached this was brilliant. They delicately but inmistakably put it back on Favre. Although that is where the blame lies there are only so many ways you can say that, that will hit home to an uneducated, over-emotional, half the time drunk midwest fanbase. They did it. Bravo.

2. I agree that Football-wise the Packers are not in a bad situation. They have another choice. The PR part is a headache but all of that goes away as long as Ted makes the winning decision.


I do also think the organization is in a bit of a bind though. Releasing Brett Favre, while maybe the best for our organization, may have a ripple effect that helps an enemy. Their QB's are awfull. We may want to move on but we may not want to allow a rival to pick up a good QB when none of them have been able to get one on their own. Favre certainly has put the team in uncomfortable situations each year starting way back with Sherman when I think he pressured MS to make moves desperately and now rather than taking advantage of opportuties as they arose.

[Iron Mike]

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During a promotional visit to Fond du Lac High School

How the hell did I miss this???