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Originally posted by VegasPackFan
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No He simply wants to start for a contender in 2008. The man has decided he'd rather play in the NFL then retire. His right of choice of freedom. Is that really strange or foreign to you?** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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Originally posted by woodbuck27
Irony! I love it. A Canandian asking if it's foreign to you! Hahahaha!Comment
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Well, he's under contract and if he really wants to play he can file his request to be removed from the retired list with the NFL and report to camp, as Thompson is suggesting. That's his right and really his only choice other than "stay retired" at this point. The Packers are also fully within their right (due to the fact that Favre agreed to a contract that said as much) to control where and how much he plays this year and subsequent years.Originally posted by woodbuck27
If Favre really wants the Packers to do something that's contrary to their best interests because he's "special" in some way, that's absolutely immature child territory. He's not bigger than the Green Bay Packers and if he thinks he is, he needs to be knocked down a few pegs.</delurk>Comment
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Risking deletion from Mad, but here is the timeline, copyright, of course, the fine folks at JSOnline and Journal Sentinel Inc.
Link here (please visit their advertisers!): http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/ar...-timeline.aspx
Favre retirement timeline
By Tom Silverstein
Saturday, Jul 12 2008, 06:06 PM
The following is a timeline provided by Packers general manager Ted Thompson of the off-season dealings with quarterback Brett Favre. All of the information comes from Thompson and several sources close to Favre did not return phone messages seeking verification of Thompson's account.
Jan. 20, 2008 - The Packers lose in overtime to the New York Giants in the NFC Championship Game. Both Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy speak briefly to Favre before he returns home to Hattiesburg, Miss.
Jan. 30 - McCarthy and Favre are both at the Super Bowl media center in Phoenix to collect post-season awards and spent about an hour chatting. The two talk again when McCarthy is at the Pro Bowl in Honolulu and later when McCarthy returns home.
... I can't do this to Mad, go to the link to see the entire article ya lazy bums!
July 11 - Thompson receives a letter from Favre and Cook formally asking for Favre to be released.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Originally posted by woodbuck27
Woody. This is America, the greatest country on earth. And we have something called contracts here. Maybe you've heard of them.
Well Brett accepted millions and millions of dollars from the Packers in return for playing football for us, and for allowing the Packers to control his playing rights. These things we call contracts require both parties perform within all aspects of the signed agreement. Not just the ones they like. Brett willingly gave up his freedom - for the money.Comment
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July 12 - a bloody glove is found on Favre's estate. DNA matching TTComment
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and i can make the choice of punching a guy in the face...but that'd make me an asshole. Favre's choice, especially his timing of the choice, puts the packer's organization in a tough situation:Originally posted by woodbuck27
someone, favre or rodgers, will be gone sometime this season. If favre is gone, half of the packers fanbase (people like you) will never forgive TT. If rodgers is gone, we are back at square one. When will Favre retire? Is Brohm going to be good enough, soon enough?
Worst case scenario: Rodgers leaves and succeeds with another team. Favre has a decent year but doesn't get his ring and retires again. uh oh, is Brohm ready? 2009 Packers do not reach the playoffs and TT gets fired for KEEPING FAVRE TOO LONG.Comment
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Woody, maybe this will help you understand. Brett is the American equivalent of this well known Canadian:
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That's where I fear this (now a mess) will likely go and the sharade continue. It's like a log jam and the Packer management has to get it right not just done.Originally posted by Lurker64
PACKERS FOREVER.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
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Come on amatuer. Don't compare Brett Favre to Celine Dion. He can"t sing song tracks for awesome movies.....Low shot ....Originally posted by Scott CampbellWoody, maybe this will help you understand. Brett is the American equivalent of this well known Canadian:
' mucho lesso '.
and....Yes. She can't even get her choice of venue for the big Quebec City Anniversary coming up. Paul McCartney rules.
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
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What is apparent is that the Packers seemed to have communicated well or at least they answered the phone and were always willing to talk.
Did Brett Favre accept his locker as a gift?? I didn't hear him say leave it in place, I'm going to use it.
The team has timelines. What if they left a chair open for him and he never showed up? They would have Rodgers and a rookie back up.
The offseason is getting ready for the season. Free agency, the draft, OTA's, mini camp. The team had to prepare based on what they knew at the time.
Draft day the Packers got a back up QB and a third string QB. That was based on the information at the time.
What is Ted to do? Just deal with it as best he can.
Just a week ago Matt Flynn was going to have an easy no pressure time making the Packer team. Now his future brightens and dims as this plays out beyond his control.
Do the Packers assume Brett will be back every year until the day he stands them up?
How do they handle the future when he shows up AFTER training camp??
Is Brohm the successor to Favre? In three years??
Does anything Brett says from February to September to be taken seriously??
The next few steps in this dance will be interesting.
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Let's just take this situation at face value--not try to read things into what Thompson and McCarthy are saying. IMO, Thompson has handled this mess perfectly. Favre doesn't hold the high cards in this hand; The Packers do.
They can simply pay him (what's a mere $10-12 million?) and keep him on whatever status they want.
None of us in this forum, none of the media types, etc. know what Brett Favre is really like. Will he turn out to be a good soldier, relatively cooperative--coming to camp in a low key normal way? Or will he turn out to be spiteful and selfish some have accused him of being--being a disruptive influence, etc.?
The bottom line is that the Packers could just pay him $10 million (or is it $12 million) to sit--and be villified in Green Bay. So Brett has to ask himself, is his legacy/reputation/whatever worth the money?
There was another thread here about possibilities. Well, realistically, there are three choices for Brett: Take the money and sit and pout, OR cooperate, come to camp and take his chances--either to play as a backup or maybe more if Rodgers gets hurt or flops OR just fade back into retirement with grace but no $12 million.
Thompson also has choices if Favre plays hardball--which he may already have made: Pay him to sit, and risk Thompson's reputation too OR trade him for, hopefully, a decent draft pick(s) OR get spineless, and release him.
I'm not ready to predict how it will all turn out.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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Okay, nobody has mentioned what is, to me, the most fascinating thing about that whole Silverstein blog/timeline:
"Greg Aiello, an NFL spokesman, said he was not aware whether Favre had officially petitioned NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for reinstatement. Goodell is in Afghanistan."
Goodell is in Afghanistan? WTF is he doing there? "Hey honey, doncha think Afghanistan would be nice this time of year?"
A UFO tour? "Okay, soldiers, we're bringing Roger Goodell over to Afghanistan to entertain you and take your mind off the fighting by talking to you about who's being suspended and for how long, and whether the 'tuck' rule will continue to be in effect." Woo-hoo!
Honest to gosh, that's the craziest frippin' thing I've read in this whole mess."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Originally posted by Fritz
What's a UFO tour? Sounds like something Tank and his X-Files buddies would go on.Comment
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Not that I'd expect it or anything, but can you imagine if Brett applies for reinstatement and Goodell denies the application???Originally posted by Fritz
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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