Read This: Telling Timeline on Favre Situation

[Carolina_Packer]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgCyu6zibIils489IMS1plw5nYcB?slug=ap-packers-favretimeline&prov=ap&type=lgns

OK Favre supporters. Read the link above and tell me how this information makes Favre look in this whole situation? How does it make the Packers management look?

Looks like Favre was wanted back after all, even when there are stories to the contrary, painting the Packer management as wanting Favre gone, which never made sense to me if they thought he could still play. All along it looks as though they wanted to know his level of commitment and where his head was and he seemed to have switched gears late in the process leading up to the recent conference call. Even when (according to the the article above) he was saying he wanted back into football, he was never 100% committed to coming back for sure. How can an organization plan with information like that? I think the artcle above is very telling. Hopefully, even with this whole to do, they can patch things up and Favre can find his commitment again and compete against Rodgers for the starting job.

[Joemailman]

Okay, that's enough timeline threads.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=13202

[PackerTimer]

May 6: With the NFL draft out of the way, Thompson visits Favre in Mississippi and has lunch on his back porch. Thompson says they have a “good conversation,” but don’t spend too much time talking about the idea that he might be having second thoughts.

“We didn’t talk specifically about it,” Thompson says. “But he mentioned several things where there was always indecisiveness, or he was wondering if he made the right decision. I think that’s normal.”

You know, I think that maybe this is what Favre and his family have been referring to. I honestly think, and I'm on record as saying its bs, that he was hoping that TT would ask him to come back. TT thought it was a "good conversation." Brett, not being asked to return, probably felt slighted and would have a much different opinion of this conversation.

One thing about this that really surprise me is that TT was down in Mississippi for a lunch to begin with. If TT was pushing out Favre for the last three years like some people would have you believe, what was he doing down there buddying it up with Favre in the first place?

[Carolina_Packer]

Okay, that's enough timeline threads.
http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=13202

Sorry for the duplicate information, but I thought this article had more in it than others here. This was pretty detailed to dates.

Also worth noting, Favre responded recently to media reports that he "had the itch again" by saying that it was all rumors. Sounds like either things were changing day to day for him before he was 100% committed, or he didn't want to tip his hand at the time. I hope he asks to be reinstated and that they can have him back on the roster and tell him that he's going to be competing for the starting job. As others have said, if A-Rod gets hurt again along the way, then it's all on Favre and this issue is out the window.

[Bretsky]

Brilliant of TT and MM to offer this up. Good for PR and sets them up to get rid of Favre with not as much backlash. Would love to hear Favre's time line and compare how close the content would be described; but that will never occur

[Carolina_Packer]

Brilliant of TT and MM to offer this up. Good for PR and sets them up to get rid of Favre with not as much backlash. Would love to hear Favre's time line and compare how close the content would be described; but that will never occur

Perhaps he'll have his Mom, Scott, Bus or someone else in his entourage talk for him again. It is strange that he is never the one out in front of his own dealings.

[GBRulz]

Brilliant of TT and MM to offer this up. Good for PR and sets them up to get rid of Favre with not as much backlash. Would love to hear Favre's time line and compare how close the content would be described; but that will never occur

Perhaps he'll have his Mom, Scott, Bus or someone else in his entourage talk for him again. It is strange that he is never the one out in front of his own dealings.

Carolina, I agree. It's one of the things that has bothered me about Brett during this whole off-season. I mean, he's always been very honest and open with the media throughout his career. But once the off-season started, every major announcement came through some kind of source. Wasn't it Mort who first reported the retirement VM that Brett left him?

I dunno, just wish Brett could have done the talking instead of all this channeling crap.

[Scott Campbell]

I dunno, just wish Brett could have done the talking instead of all this channeling crap.

His pilot has been unusually quiet. That guy usually has something to say.

[Fritz]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

[woodbuck27]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

Nice post and analysis.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

Nice post and analysis.

Yes, a good post

I don't see Favre offering up specifics because he's using the media to do his talking. Mortenson did report that Favre indicated that is not exactly how it went down in March but he didn't offer many specifics.

Clayton just reported that the mojo between BF and Thompson is deteriorating by the minute and it's become less likely that he can be a Packers.

The ESPN analysts seem to be split about 50-50 as to whether Favre will play in GB or somewhere else.

Sport Reporters was interesting. The last thing they said was something to the effect that the hottest girl in the school gets extra chances..

[Scott Campbell]

Clayton just reported that the mojo between BF and Thompson is deteriorating by the minute and it's become less likely that he can be a Packers.

Maybe Brett doesn't like getting hit back.

[Fritz]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

Nice post and analysis.

Yes, a good post

I don't see Favre offering up specifics because he's using the media to do his talking. Mortenson did report that Favre indicated that is not exactly how it went down in March but he didn't offer many specifics.

Clayton just reported that the mojo between BF and Thompson is deteriorating by the minute and it's become less likely that he can be a Packers.

The ESPN analysts seem to be split about 50-50 as to whether Favre will play in GB or somewhere else.

Sport Reporters was interesting. The last thing they said was something to the effect that the hottest girl in the school gets extra chances..

Especially if she's bisexual.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

For the record I never said they made anything up. To me brilliant was offering all of this exact stuff up knowing the Favre camp will most likely not counter much if at all.

They are offering info to the media effectively to allow fans to view this and condone the possibility that they are sending the best option to win short term to another team and moving on

[Bretsky]

Bretsky - I don't know if it was "brilliant" - that suggests that they are orchestrating everything and playing games. I don't agree. For this whole ordeal, TT and MM have played it close to the vest, not saying much (as is TT's style). TT has been getting ripped to shreds and the Favre family has contributed to this. My sense is that they are trying to set the record straight.

Also, I know a little bit about lying or "spinning" the truth. Sadly enough, I used to do that in my life. My ex-wife was also in insurance fraud investigator and I saw, from her, how people lie well and how they lie badly. So (and I'm not proud of this) I speak as a bit of an expert. And I can tell you this: If you're going to lie, or fudge or stretch the truth or spin it, you don't offer up any detail. It's the worst thing you can do.
It's the first rule of spin. Because if you get cross-examined you have to keep making up more and more to make it fit, and that's where people get tripped up. And we all know the media will be doing some serious cross-examining.

Therefore, I must conclude here that this level of detail - from two people speaking together - could not possibly be a lie designed to make Favre look bad. Now, as one poster accurately notes above, Favre may have a different sense of the "good conversation" TT and he had at lunch in Mississippi. But that's not challenging the essential truth of the timeline; that's one's perception of how things went, not what happened.

Note too that neither Favre nor his family have given any specifics as to why they feel TT was pushing Favre out. They talk about "feeling" and while what people feel is what they feel, there's no detailed fact to support that TT was blowing Favre off. Not til the press conference yesterday, anyway - at this point they seem a bit tired of the back-and-forth of Favre.

And you end by saying Favre will not reveal any timeline. Why not? He has never, in the past, hesitated to open up about what he feels or thinks about a number of subjects - Javon Walker, not getting Randy Moss, his painkiller addiction. It's part of what so many of us love about the guy. He's not political - he's pretty open, mostly.

So I conclude from this that TT and MM gave Favre a lot of consideration, they did feel he was their best chance to win this year, they were open to having him come back and in fact offered reduced reps in practice and borrowed a plane to fly to Favre's home (by the way, if you're lying that's a bad detail l to make up cuz it's so easily checkable), they were on the phone with him frequently, they sent an emissary and TT even went down for lunch. Are those the actions of people trying to ignore Brett Favre out of the game?

No. Ultimately, Favre seems unwilling to admit to his wavering. He wanted back, but he didn't feel 100% committed (which by the way Favre himself said a few times is necessary if you're going to play). And I don't blame him for that. That's human. But I do blame him for his apparent willingness to let his family (Mom and brother) air his grievances and allow them to suggest that he was forced out. Becvause he was not forced out, though now it seems that TT has run out of patience.

Nice post and analysis.

Yes, a good post

I don't see Favre offering up specifics because he's using the media to do his talking. Mortenson did report that Favre indicated that is not exactly how it went down in March but he didn't offer many specifics.

Clayton just reported that the mojo between BF and Thompson is deteriorating by the minute and it's become less likely that he can be a Packers.

The ESPN analysts seem to be split about 50-50 as to whether Favre will play in GB or somewhere else.

Sport Reporters was interesting. The last thing they said was something to the effect that the hottest girl in the school gets extra chances..

Especially if she's bisexual.

That would warrant UNLIMITED chances