ryan grant

[Gunakor]

At this point there's really no difference between "signing Grant now" and "signing Grant next week", there's really no rush to get the deal done before training camp. I wouldn't be worried yet.

I think the Packers executives and coaching staff have been a little preoccupied due to certain recent developments anyway. Grant will get his new deal, I'm not worried about that either.

[bobblehead]

At this point there's really no difference between "signing Grant now" and "signing Grant next week", there's really no rush to get the deal done before training camp. I wouldn't be worried yet.

I'm worried. If they haven't gotten it done yet I suspect they aren't quite on the same page. My guess is RG is probably asking about 10 mill more over 5 years than the team is offering. Like he wants 30 and they are offering 20.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, we got one article from July 14 saying he should be signed shortly and they're working on it and one from July 16 saying they haven't even been talking? Which is it?

[The Leaper]

A lot of the time Favre had 4+ seconds in the pocket. That's enough time. The line did well.

So what happens when inexperienced ARod has only 2 seconds? It happened enough to Favre last year to scare the hell out of me.

Those claiming the OL did well obviously didn't watch that much Packer football last season. We had to leave RBs and TEs to block far too often because the OL wasn't getting the job done. Overall, they improved as a unit from their dismal performance in 2006, but they still are mediocre at best.

Favre made that group look a lot better than it is.

[KYPack]

Pro Football Outsiders had the Packers OLine #1 in the league at pass protection. Now a lot of that was due to BF and MM's savvy schemes to get the ball out quick.

But actually, the Packers are a competent pass pro team. The weak link is LG. Colledge can get bull ruched right off the field (eg. Dallas game). That said, pass pro is his strong suit. But Spitz can hang in there, Wells does a decent job and the tackles are the best pass pro combo in the NFL.

Out of the competition at LG, we should get a decent hand in there at this position, we will have a very sound outfit ant blocking for the pass.

[The Leaper]

Out of the competition at LG, we should get a decent hand in there at this position, we will have a very sound outfit ant blocking for the pass.

I agree that things should continue to improve in 2008. However, let's not forget that Clifton and Tauscher are no longer prime candidates to start 16 games in a season. The potential for the line to get weaker from time to time really exists.

Also, the Packers let a lot of rushers come free on the edges last year because Favre could see them and knew where to go with the ball before the rush got to him...prime example being his record setting TD pass to Jennings. Can Rodgers accomplish that anywhere near as well as Favre? Doubtful...at least as far as 2008 goes. That means you will need to keep more help in the backfield and reduce the options at receiver for Rodgers. That doesn't make an offense more potent, as it helps reduce the potential targets the defense has to cover.

I don't think we are doomed with Rodgers back there. His mobility is something that Favre doesn't have...and will help reduce the rush to some extent on its own. Still, going from a 16 year vet to a guy with no starts under his belt is a HUGE change...especially in an offense predicated on timing and efficiency.

[sharpe1027]

Their worst pass protection probably came in the Dallas game, where Dallas was able to get pressure up the middle. Favre couldn't handle it, partly due to the play calling, and partly due to his lack of speed. Favre is one of the best at feeling the pressure shifting slightly to avoid a rusher, but when the rush came straight up the middle, he can't do much anymore because he can't run away from them.

Arod was able to get away from the rush and his running took advantage of the aggressive pass rush when they did not staying in their lanes. Arguably, Dallas didn't game plan for a mobile QB from the Packers, but they are professional players who practice against a fairly mobile QB in Romo everyday. So, I don't think it is fair to entirely discount how effective Arod's mobility was in that game.

I think Grant will do just fine with either QB.

[The Leaper]

So, I don't think it is fair to entirely discount how effective Arod's mobility was in that game.

No one should discount Rodgers mobility. That is clearly his greatest attribute in terms of a comparison with Favre. His mobility certainly was effective in the Dallas game, and still would've been effective even if Dallas gameplanned for Rodgers all week.

However, the point that Rodgers had an advantage because Dallas really had not installed a plan based on HIS strengths is also valid.

[sharpe1027]

No one should discount Rodgers mobility. That is clearly his greatest attribute in terms of a comparison with Favre. His mobility certainly was effective in the Dallas game, and still would've been effective even if Dallas gameplanned for Rodgers all week.

However, the point that Rodgers had an advantage because Dallas really had not installed a plan based on HIS strengths is also valid.

Yes. My point is simply that Grant should do just fine with either QB, especially with all of the WR and TE threats they have.

[DonHutson]

I don't really understand this thread. It seems that Grant has gone out of his way to avoid putting the spotlight on his contract situation. I don't know why he'd be annoyed about the Favre situation garnering this attention.

I would hope the Packers can do two things at once to the point that they can still get Grant signed. They have a bunch of rookies to sign too, for that matter, so if they are completely paralyzed by the Favre situation, that's a problem.

Lastly, despite what Bus Cook says, the Packers can't do a whole lot about Favre until he asks to be reinstated. How time consuming can the situation really be?

[sharpe1027]

I don't really understand this thread. It seems that Grant has gone out of his way to avoid putting the spotlight on his contract situation. I don't know why he be annoyed about the Favre situation garnering this attention.

I would hope the Packers can do two things at once to the point that they can still get Grant signed. They have a bunch of rookies to sign too for that matter, so if they are completely paralyzed by the Favre situation, that's a problem.

Lastly, despite what Bus Cook says, the Packers can't do a whole lot about Favre until he asks to be reinstated. How time consuming can the situation really be?

Anytime there is a big event like this many companies/organizations have a whole bunch of meetings to talk about it, but that accomplish nothing. I think alot of time is probably being spent in meetings on how to address the situation in the media and possibly contacting Favre and as to come up with a plan if he does ask for reinstatement. They also are probably fielding questions from players and agents alike.