LOYALTY AND RESPECT

[HarveyWallbangers]

I picture a very exciting moment where McCarthy hands it over and Rodgers humbling and greatfully accepts. Maybe it's symbolic in front of the team. Maybe it's alone.

This is quite gay. I doubt McCarthy formally handed over the keys to Rodgers. I think it was probably implied... maybe McCarthy making a comment to Aaron about how he was going to make or break his career, so don't screw it up. Maybe something similar to what the Walrus told a young Brett.

[RashanGary]

I don't know, I think there is more than an implied commitment. Thompson calls it a core value that cannot be broken. Whatever it is, it means a lot to the Packers. IT means enough to go through all of this just to tell a great QB no in front of a fan base that isn't ready to hear it.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.

The Packer Management forced his hand. That's clear.

Thats why when Favre wanted to play in late March Thompson and McCarthy lined up a private jet to meet with him in Mississippi to outline his return to the team. Get your facts straight. This isn't a management issue, this is Favre wanting to play football issue.

Believe this Nutz I'm trying to get 'THE FACTS' straight and at this point who really knows the TRUTH but 'the major players'?

March 6 - Favre conducts retirement press conference.

* Week of March 24 - Offensive line coach James Campen, who is visiting Louisiana, stops in to see Favre at his Mississippi home and is asked by Favre whether he thinks the Packers would take him back. Campen reports the conversation to McCarthy and Thompson. McCarthy calls Favre and hears the same things Campen did.

* March 27 - Thompson and McCarthy decide they would be fine with Favre returning even though Aaron Rodgers is set to begin off-season workouts as the starter, and they inform Favre. "Mike said, ‘Ted and I talked and we said, fine.' But we'd like to come see you, and Brett was kind of excited that we were coming to see him." In preparation to leave for the owners meetings in West Palm Beach, March 30-April 3, they arrange to meet with Favre and wife, Deanna.

* March 29 - McCarthy makes plans to fly to Hattiesburg on April 1 to make plans for Favre's return. McCarthy is leaving for evening Mass when Favre calls to inform him he has changed his mind. "We were all set for them, but Brett called back and that he and Deanna had a long talk about it and they were going to stick with their original decision."

* May 6 - Thompson is down South and decides to pay a visit to Favre at his home. "I called him and said I am thinking about seeing you, I don't have any agenda or anything. So I did, I went and visited. Had lunch sat out on the veranda. We had a long talk and good talk. Nothing really came up other than like with any retired player, you could tell there were a few things that he would throw in there; 'there might be some doubts, I may change my mind,' or something like that. And that was that."

* June 8 - Campen goes to Favre's home and has a long talk with Favre and leaves feeling Favre wants to return.

* June 20 -- Favre calls McCarthy and the two have a 45-minute conversation in which Favre tells him he might want to play again. "There was more wondering, you know, what ifs." McCarthy and Thompson go on vacation for the July 4th weekend.

* July 4 - Thompson receives a text message from Favre and sends a message back at about 8 p.m. back telling him he's traveling and can they talk on Monday? "By Monday I hadn't heard back from him. I sent him back a text saying, ‘Haven't heard from ya, hope you're getting these messages, can we talk Tuesday at noon?' He got back to me and said 'OK,' that it would be better sooner, but I was kind of doing some other things so we set up a conference call."

* July 8 - Favre and his agent, James (Bus) Cook ask Thompson for Favre's release during the conference call. It's understood Favre won't be the starter in Green Bay. "There were, I think, conversations with Mike where both parties acknowledged that time had gone by and the Packers had been asked to move on, or move forward, or whatever. That's what they were thinking there (about asking for his release)."

* July 11 - Thompson receives a letter from Favre and Cook formally asking for Favre to be released.

You refer to this Nutz:

* March 29 - McCarthy makes plans to fly to Hattiesburg on April 1 to make plans for Favre's return. McCarthy is leaving for evening Mass when Favre calls to inform him he has changed his mind. "We were all set for them, but Brett called back and that he and Deanna had a long talk about it and they were going to stick with their original decision."


Booking a jet to fly to Hattisburg means? And return means...as in return to what Nutz? In fairness to all the major players in this mess that needs to get cleaned up fast 'by the way'. Do we really yet have all 'the facts' we need to firmly understand all 'the play' here? I say NO.

The interview today hopefuly gets to this question on the TT timeline Nutz.

[woodbuck27]

If I really had to speculate how the ulitmate commitment to Rodger happened I'd say this:

THIS IS TOTAL SPECULATION based on a few comments here and there and just knowing McCarthys personality a little.


They were going through their last week of OTA's/Minicamps and McCarthy was really proud of his guys for giving everything they had this off season and taking obvious big steps from even last year at this time. He has a really close working relationship iwth Rodgers and he could see how much he deserves the chance and is good enough to warrant it. He's fresh off offering Brett the job a second time only to get called back and told he's sure he wants to retire so he went ahead and completely offered the job to Rodgers. I picture a very exciting moment where McCarthy hands it over and Rodgers humbling and greatfully accepts. Maybe it's symbolic in front of the team. Maybe it's alone. Whenever that moment was and however it went down, I do think McCarthy passed it over at some point and I do think Rodgers earned it. I think they are very excited for Rodgers and just torn inside that Brett decided to come back. They held out, but eventually they moved on and now they can't go back because Rodgers earned this shot to fail before it gets taken from him. IF they passed the torch in front of the team, they would really not be able to turn back because that would be a cowardous thing to do and respect would be lost everywhere.

Good GOD!!

What are you Jacked up on JH? Must be good stuff! Is there a new cool aid out?

[cpk1994]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.

The Packer Management forced his hand. That's clear.

Thats why when Favre wanted to play in late March Thompson and McCarthy lined up a private jet to meet with him in Mississippi to outline his return to the team. Get your facts straight. This isn't a management issue, this is Favre wanting to play football issue.

Kind of funny that Woody conviently leaves that part out to make his argument. Besides, if Brett didn't give an answer when TT wanted it, what was TT gonna do about it? Nothing becuase anything would make himself look just as bad as he does now. TT din't put a gun to Brett's head looking for an answer.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.

The Packer Management forced his hand. That's clear.

Thats why when Favre wanted to play in late March Thompson and McCarthy lined up a private jet to meet with him in Mississippi to outline his return to the team. Get your facts straight. This isn't a management issue, this is Favre wanting to play football issue.

Kind of funny that Woody conviently leaves that part out to make his argument. Besides, if Brett didn't give an answer when TT wanted it, what was TT gonna do about it? Nothing becuase anything would make himself look just as bad as he does now. TT din't put a gun to Brett's head looking for an answer.

Hey Top Gun. Can't you read?

READ this cpk1994. I'm fucking well sick of your BS cpk1994 Now take a giant leap and try to have an open mind and read this . This story is still evolving bright boy:

Believe this Nutz I'm trying to get 'THE FACTS' straight and at this point who really knows the TRUTH but 'the major players'?

March 6 - Favre conducts retirement press conference.

* Week of March 24 - Offensive line coach James Campen, who is visiting Louisiana, stops in to see Favre at his Mississippi home and is asked by Favre whether he thinks the Packers would take him back. Campen reports the conversation to McCarthy and Thompson. McCarthy calls Favre and hears the same things Campen did.

* March 27 - Thompson and McCarthy decide they would be fine with Favre returning even though Aaron Rodgers is set to begin off-season workouts as the starter, and they inform Favre. "Mike said, ‘Ted and I talked and we said, fine.' But we'd like to come see you, and Brett was kind of excited that we were coming to see him." In preparation to leave for the owners meetings in West Palm Beach, March 30-April 3, they arrange to meet with Favre and wife, Deanna.

* March 29 - McCarthy makes plans to fly to Hattiesburg on April 1 to make plans for Favre's return. McCarthy is leaving for evening Mass when Favre calls to inform him he has changed his mind. "We were all set for them, but Brett called back and that he and Deanna had a long talk about it and they were going to stick with their original decision."

* May 6 - Thompson is down South and decides to pay a visit to Favre at his home. "I called him and said I am thinking about seeing you, I don't have any agenda or anything. So I did, I went and visited. Had lunch sat out on the veranda. We had a long talk and good talk. Nothing really came up other than like with any retired player, you could tell there were a few things that he would throw in there; 'there might be some doubts, I may change my mind,' or something like that. And that was that."

* June 8 - Campen goes to Favre's home and has a long talk with Favre and leaves feeling Favre wants to return.

* June 20 -- Favre calls McCarthy and the two have a 45-minute conversation in which Favre tells him he might want to play again. "There was more wondering, you know, what ifs." McCarthy and Thompson go on vacation for the July 4th weekend.

* July 4 - Thompson receives a text message from Favre and sends a message back at about 8 p.m. back telling him he's traveling and can they talk on Monday? "By Monday I hadn't heard back from him. I sent him back a text saying, ‘Haven't heard from ya, hope you're getting these messages, can we talk Tuesday at noon?' He got back to me and said 'OK,' that it would be better sooner, but I was kind of doing some other things so we set up a conference call."

* July 8 - Favre and his agent, James (Bus) Cook ask Thompson for Favre's release during the conference call. It's understood Favre won't be the starter in Green Bay. "There were, I think, conversations with Mike where both parties acknowledged that time had gone by and the Packers had been asked to move on, or move forward, or whatever. That's what they were thinking there (about asking for his release)."

* July 11 - Thompson receives a letter from Favre and Cook formally asking for Favre to be released.

You refer to this Nutz:

* March 29 - McCarthy makes plans to fly to Hattiesburg on April 1 to make plans for Favre's return. McCarthy is leaving for evening Mass when Favre calls to inform him he has changed his mind. "We were all set for them, but Brett called back and that he and Deanna had a long talk about it and they were going to stick with their original decision."


Booking a jet to fly to Hattisburg means? And return means...as in return to what Nutz? In fairness to all the major players in this mess that needs to get cleaned up fast 'by the way'. Do we really yet have all 'the facts' we need to firmly understand all 'the play' here? I say NO.

The interview today hopefuly gets to this question on the TT timeline Nutz.

[Sparkey]

So Woodbuck,

So at what point do you decide to move forward ?

Favre retired
Favre maybe doesn't want to stay retired
Favre decides to stay retired
Favre decides he might want to play
Favre decides he is pretty sure he wants to play

?????????

I have not seen/heard of him filing reinstatement papers, which is a prerequisite to playing in 2008. So, I guess "Shit or get off the pot" is the current situation he is in. If he is so committed to playing this year, why is he not taking the required steps to make this commitment a reality ? Unless, maybe, he is not 100% sure that is what he wants ? ? ?

[woodbuck27]

So Woodbuck,

So at what point do you decide to move forward ?

Favre retired
Favre maybe doesn't want to stay retired
Favre decides to stay retired
Favre decides he might want to play
Favre decides he is pretty sure he wants to play

?????????

I have not seen/heard of him filing reinstatement papers, which is a prerequisite to playing in 2008. So, I guess "Shit or get off the pot" is the current situation he is in. If he is so committed to playing this year, why is he not taking the required steps to make this commitment a reality ? Unless, maybe, he is not 100% sure that is what he wants ? ? ?

Isn't it clear he doesn't like the game that's going down, been going down in Green Bay since TT arrived? Try to place yourself in his shoes. It works to help understand FAVRE.

[The Leaper]

Favre stated that Thompson asked him for a list of teams he would like to play for. Clearly Thompson is open to a trade.

Just because you ask for a list does not mean that you are open to a trade. Asking for a list is a great way to make it look like you are the good guy in the media, when in reality you have no desire whatsoever to consider a trade.

[Sparkey]

So Woodbuck,

So at what point do you decide to move forward ?

Favre retired
Favre maybe doesn't want to stay retired
Favre decides to stay retired
Favre decides he might want to play
Favre decides he is pretty sure he wants to play

?????????

I have not seen/heard of him filing reinstatement papers, which is a prerequisite to playing in 2008. So, I guess "Shit or get off the pot" is the current situation he is in. If he is so committed to playing this year, why is he not taking the required steps to make this commitment a reality ? Unless, maybe, he is not 100% sure that is what he wants ? ? ?

Isn't it clear he doesn't like the game that's going down, been going down in Green Bay since TT arrived? Try to place yourself in his shoes. It works to help understand FAVRE.

You mean the team wanting him to decide what the heck he is going to do so they can plan accordingly ? Remember, it was Favre who initially created and re-lived the will he / wont he retirement drama over and over ...

[woodbuck27]

So Woodbuck,

So at what point do you decide to move forward ?

Favre retired
Favre maybe doesn't want to stay retired
Favre decides to stay retired
Favre decides he might want to play
Favre decides he is pretty sure he wants to play

?????????

I have not seen/heard of him filing reinstatement papers, which is a prerequisite to playing in 2008. So, I guess "Shit or get off the pot" is the current situation he is in. If he is so committed to playing this year, why is he not taking the required steps to make this commitment a reality ? Unless, maybe, he is not 100% sure that is what he wants ? ? ?

Isn't it clear he doesn't like the game that's going down, been going down in Green Bay since TT arrived? Try to place yourself in his shoes. It works to help understand FAVRE.

You mean the team wanting him to decide what the heck he is going to do so they can plan accordingly ? Remember, it was Favre who initially created and re-lived the will he / wont he retirement drama over and over ...

Be fair to YOU. Read and listen very carefully what Favre said last night and will say today. You'll get it.

[sharpe1027]

Favre stated that Thompson asked him for a list of teams he would like to play for. Clearly Thompson is open to a trade.

Just because you ask for a list does not mean that you are open to a trade. Asking for a list is a great way to make it look like you are the good guy in the media, when in reality you have no desire whatsoever to consider a trade.

True, there is no guarantee of the sincerity of the offer.

What does refusing to provide this list say about Favre and Cook, when they instead, publically, ask for an outright release?

The whole he-said she-said thing is tired. It was clear from the start that Favre's camp (whether sanctioned by Favre or not) was looking for a fight by taking pot shots that the Packer's organization. I've seen very, very little effort from Favre's side to try and make this work. The second he got a little negative feedback: "release me because I earned it". That says more than anything to me.

[woodbuck27]

Favre stated that Thompson asked him for a list of teams he would like to play for. Clearly Thompson is open to a trade.

Just because you ask for a list does not mean that you are open to a trade. Asking for a list is a great way to make it look like you are the good guy in the media, when in reality you have no desire whatsoever to consider a trade.

True, there is no guarantee of the sincerity of the offer.

What does refusing to provide this list say about Favre and Cook, when they instead, publically, ask for an outright release?

The whole he-said she-said thing is tired. It was clear from the start that Favre's camp (whether sanctioned by Favre or not) was looking for a fight by taking pot shots that the Packer's organization. I've seen very, very little effort from Favre's side to try and make this work. The second he got a little negative feedback: "release me because I earned it". That says more than anything to me.

Step back and take last season into perspective. Think in terms ofFavre's efforts and overall contribution to get us to 'the Giants' game.

All of a sudden the brass puts 'the heat on'. WHY??

For what possible reason would Favre be pushed to demonstrate to TT or MM or anyone that he was 100% committed, after what he demonstrated in 2007? Getting it yet?

See you have to arrive there 'in YOU'.

[sharpe1027]

Step back and take last season into perspective. Think in terms ofFavre's efforts and overall contribution to get us to 'the Giants' game.

All of a sudden the brass puts 'the heat on'. WHY??

For what possible reason would Favre be pushed to demonstrate to TT or MM or anyone that he was 100% committed, after what he demonstrated in 2007? Getting it yet?

See you have to arrive there 'in YOU'.

Explain what you mean by "push". You're using that term, but they've asked him every year if he could provide and answer before, Free Agency the Draft, ect... He was never forced to meet a deadline before and he knows that. Yet, this year was different?

*edit*

Ah hell, I'm reading too fast or something. Replace push with "puts heat on". Sorry for the misquote Woodbuck.

[pbmax]

That's a stretch. Even Favre has said they are considering trading him.

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now.

OH, you mean when they said, we don't want you, but nobody else can have you either?