What does "we've moved on" really mean?

[falco]

if you didnt think he was right, you wouldnt be down my back about welcoming brett back to the pack..

Of course not. That would make it easy for you. I just think its ridiculous that you'd be happy if Rodgers starts and fails so you can say "i told you so" to people who support him.

Here's where you backtrack some saying you wont be happy.

I wouldn't be happy if Arod fails... it would make me even more mad than I currently am with the Packers..

LET ME REPEAT!... this is not Favre vs Rodgers... it never has, nor will be

its about Favre, and him being able to rightfully join the packers and be their starter due to the fact that training camp hasnt even rolled around yet

so shut ur fuckin pie hole Zool if you cant understand where its coming from

on a more serious note, I honestly believe that Favre is done in Green Bay and people should begin getting used to that fact. The best thing that can happen is for Thompson to facilitate his exit as promptly as possible.

Too many bridges are burned for the two sides to ever reconcile - Thompson's fate lies in Rodgers hands.

[Harlan Huckleby]

you're a fiesty one, Paco Pete. You a friend of madtown's?

[Zool]

is that a faint mooing i hear?

[Freak Out]

I don't think I've ever seen this many cock sucking references being thrown around in the Packer forum before. WTF is going on again? Is Bearman back or something?

[Pacopete4]

I guess its a problem to want Brett back and for voicing an opinion on it, I hate Aaron Rodgers... thats basically what they are tryin to say... but its not true. Actually far from it...

[The Shadow]

I don't get the whole "I hope Rogers fails so TT is sorry" angle. To go along with that, I really don't understand the whole "I hope Brett comes back and extracts vengeance on TT" thing.

I hope both sides can come up with a decision they can agree on, but if it comes down to the Packers getting the short end of the straw or Favre getting the short end: Sorry Brett.

that's because you're a packer fan, unlike tacoman

As a Packer Fan I, for one, hope that Aaron Rodgers plays at least 16 years in green and gold and breaks every single one of Brett Favre's records. That would be awesome.

I agree. As an oldtimer, I am still waiting for the next Bart Starr. And no one knows what Rodger's ability may bring to the Packers.

[Chevelle2]

I don't get the whole "I hope Rogers fails so TT is sorry" angle. To go along with that, I really don't understand the whole "I hope Brett comes back and extracts vengeance on TT" thing.

I hope both sides can come up with a decision they can agree on, but if it comes down to the Packers getting the short end of the straw or Favre getting the short end: Sorry Brett.

that's because you're a packer fan, unlike tacoman

As a Packer Fan I, for one, hope that Aaron Rodgers plays at least 16 years in green and gold and breaks every single one of Brett Favre's records. That would be awesome.

I agree. As an oldtimer, I am still waiting for the next Bart Starr. And no one knows what Rodger's ability may bring to the Packers.

"next bart starr"

As a young fan, can you elaborate? Id really appreciate any insight.

[Pacopete4]

me too... my dad used to tell me that he still thought Starr was a better quarterback, unfortunetly I wasn't around to see it

[Gunakor]

I don't get the whole "I hope Rogers fails so TT is sorry" angle. To go along with that, I really don't understand the whole "I hope Brett comes back and extracts vengeance on TT" thing.

I hope both sides can come up with a decision they can agree on, but if it comes down to the Packers getting the short end of the straw or Favre getting the short end: Sorry Brett.

that's because you're a packer fan, unlike tacoman

As a Packer Fan I, for one, hope that Aaron Rodgers plays at least 16 years in green and gold and breaks every single one of Brett Favre's records. That would be awesome.

I agree. As an oldtimer, I am still waiting for the next Bart Starr. And no one knows what Rodger's ability may bring to the Packers.

"next bart starr"

As a young fan, can you elaborate? Id really appreciate any insight.

Bart Starr was the Brett Favre of the 1960's. One of if not THE best in the NFL. He's the reason nobody is allowed to wear #15 for the Packers anymore.

[Chevelle2]

I don't get the whole "I hope Rogers fails so TT is sorry" angle. To go along with that, I really don't understand the whole "I hope Brett comes back and extracts vengeance on TT" thing.

I hope both sides can come up with a decision they can agree on, but if it comes down to the Packers getting the short end of the straw or Favre getting the short end: Sorry Brett.

that's because you're a packer fan, unlike tacoman

As a Packer Fan I, for one, hope that Aaron Rodgers plays at least 16 years in green and gold and breaks every single one of Brett Favre's records. That would be awesome.

I agree. As an oldtimer, I am still waiting for the next Bart Starr. And no one knows what Rodger's ability may bring to the Packers.

"next bart starr"

As a young fan, can you elaborate? Id really appreciate any insight.

Bart Starr was the Brett Favre of the 1960's. One of if not THE best in the NFL. He's the reason nobody is allowed to wear #15 for the Packers anymore.

I know who he is, but when he says "Next Bart Starr" he is obviously referring to Starr's attributes, which I was wondering about.

[Gunakor]

I don't get the whole "I hope Rogers fails so TT is sorry" angle. To go along with that, I really don't understand the whole "I hope Brett comes back and extracts vengeance on TT" thing.

I hope both sides can come up with a decision they can agree on, but if it comes down to the Packers getting the short end of the straw or Favre getting the short end: Sorry Brett.

that's because you're a packer fan, unlike tacoman

As a Packer Fan I, for one, hope that Aaron Rodgers plays at least 16 years in green and gold and breaks every single one of Brett Favre's records. That would be awesome.

I agree. As an oldtimer, I am still waiting for the next Bart Starr. And no one knows what Rodger's ability may bring to the Packers.

"next bart starr"

As a young fan, can you elaborate? Id really appreciate any insight.

Bart Starr was the Brett Favre of the 1960's. One of if not THE best in the NFL. He's the reason nobody is allowed to wear #15 for the Packers anymore.

I know who he is, but when he says "Next Bart Starr" he is obviously referring to Starr's attributes, which I was wondering about.

All you need to know about Starr is that he won. Often. He won back to back NFL Championships in 1961 and 1962. Then won another three consecutive NFL Championships from 1965-1967, as well as the first two Super Bowls. It's not about his attributes. It's about the fact that he won.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Bart Starr was a very successful auto dealer in the Milwaukee area.

[The Shadow]

Ok, then. Whenever I mention Bart Starr around here - and mention that in my humble opinion, he is the greatest alltime Packer quarterback - I take a lot of heat from younger fans.
Here's the scoop - as I saw it :
Starr came to the Packers as a 17th (yes, there were 17 rounds once) round draft choice. He had very modest physical skills.
However, he did 2 things to achieve greatness :
1. he aligned himself so perfectly with Vince Lombardi that he became the extension of a genius on the field.
2. he willed himself to overcome the modest physical talents with pro football's greatest field general skill.
Now some folks will point to the talent surrounding him - most of the time. But : despite talent, SOMEONE has to get it all done out there on the field.
And, if you watch the Ice Bowl, you will see Starr - with such 'talent' as Chuck Mercein at fullback - simply WILL the Packers down the field in crunch time in the most inhospitable conditions imaginable.
Yes, Favre has more physical skills. Some folks made a big deal about Starr's comment that "Brett could throw farther from his knees than I could standing up" - but this speaks more to Starr's humility than anything else. Quarterbacking is not solely about physical ability - it is much more than that.
Starr brought 5 championships to my favorite team, with shifting casts at his disposal.
He GOT THE JOB DONE.
If Aaron Rodgers gets the Packers a Super Bowl win, he immediately moves into a tie with Favre as my 2nd favorite Packer QB.
When he wins his 6th, he will eclipse Bart in my estimation.
And that's how it should be.

[Chevelle2]

Thanks Shadow. Im only 19 so I know little of Starr aside from books and NFL Films. Ive always heard he was a class act, but its great to hear a first hand account.

[falco]

Ok, then. Whenever I mention Bart Starr around here - and mention that in my humble opinion, he is the greatest alltime Packer quarterback - I take a lot of heat from younger fans.
Here's the scoop - as I saw it :
Starr came to the Packers as a 17th (yes, there were 17 rounds once) round draft choice. He had very modest physical skills.
However, he did 2 things to achieve greatness :
1. he aligned himself so perfectly with Vince Lombardi that he became the extension of a genius on the field.
2. he willed himself to overcome the modest physical talents with pro football's greatest field general skill.
Now some folks will point to the talent surrounding him - most of the time. But : despite talent, SOMEONE has to get it all done out there on the field.
And, if you watch the Ice Bowl, you will see Starr - with such 'talent' as Chuck Mercein at fullback - simply WILL the Packers down the field in crunch time in the most inhospitable conditions imaginable.
Yes, Favre has more physical skills. Some folks made a big deal about Starr's comment that "Brett could throw farther from his knees than I could standing up" - but this speaks more to Starr's humility than anything else. Quarterbacking is not solely about physical ability - it is much more than that.
Starr brought 5 championships to my favorite team, with shifting casts at his disposal.
He GOT THE JOB DONE.
If Aaron Rodgers gets the Packers a Super Bowl win, he immediately moves into a tie with Favre as my 2nd favorite Packer QB.
When he wins his 6th, he will eclipse Bart in my estimation.
And that's how it should be.

i think a better comparison of favre and starr is their postseason performances....