Has your opinion of Favre changed?

[Patler]

A little. I didn't think he was the type to triangulate. He doesn't seem to have done a lot of it, but I expected him to be more of a direct guy. Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy are giving you mixed signals and/or the wrong signals? You fly up to Green Bay and tell them in person where you're coming from rather than talking to Al Jones or Greta, etc.

That is what I find amazing. I assumed him to be a more direct person than that in dealing with the team. Dealing through the media and/or others is not what I expected from him. He also seems to expect the Packers to come to him, rather than him going to them. It's kind of wimpy.

Agreed. The warning signs were there. The biggest warning sign was Favre retiring'cold.' I was certain he would play until he got hurt or they yanked him because he started to suck. Plus it looks like he really did get to the point where he thought he was bigger than the team. (and THE REASON Harlan let Sherman go). The GM is in charge. Harlan had to pick a tough as nails GM who would put the team concept first. Looks like Brett forgot how to deal with that. (The GM decides who to interview for coach, the GM decides which FAs to resign, the GM decides whether to sign a FA WR). The QB studies the playbook and runs the offense.

I couldn't agree more.

[Tarlam!]

I do see inconsistencies in his positions.

So do I. This is Brett Favre and the other guys weren't. And he is right on that.

But, he has gone about it the exact wrong way those other names did.

[Patler]

As some of you suggest or imply, whether consciously of unconsciously, it seems like Favre thinks of himself as a bit above the team. I never expected that. While he says he can understand that they "moved on" without him, his actions and other statements suggest that he does not understand it, and certainly does not accept that they have.

I thought he had a better understanding of the NFL situation. I thought he was more "old school" about individuals relationships to teams.

[Bub]

My opinion has changed. In years past I've just sort of ignored issues regarding his personality. This has brought all of those feelings and frustrations back.

Looking back, his criticism of holdout players was a joke. He claimed to be all about doing what's best for the team, but the last 3 years he has waffled in regards to retirement...this year being the worst. Is that in the best interest of the team, or BF? I hated MM's and JW's contract bickering, but I also hate 2 faced people. It's time to grow up. If I told my employer that i was retiring, they'd give me a pat on the back, hire someone else to replace me, and plan a party. I don't feel sorry for you BF....it's time for you to grow up. You are an adult now. Stand up for the choices you have made. "But..if you retired you could get a new job..." Stop it....BF could get a new job. Work for Fox/ESPN/NFLN...whatever. You signed a contract in the NFL...don't expect to play anywhere you want whenever you want.

Back when Sherman was canned he cried about not wanting to learn another system. He was "too old" to learn something new. Now he's whining about not going somewhere else.

He waits until this has all boiled out of control before saying anything personally. That just annoys me. If you have something to say, say it. Don't speak through family members and your agent.

As much as the team owes him some respect, he owes the team some respect. They made him as much as he made them (if that makes any sense). The guy gets paid handsomely and made him a star....the Packers paid you what they owe you. He didn't get that ring and those stats by himself.

Him saying he deserves to be released is a joke. How can he not see why we wouldn't want to release him. He would run off to Minn and play us twice a year. Not only would that hurt to see him in purple, but he knows the Packers like no one else. Do you think he'd be able to provide insider info? "Oh, I prefer somewhere cooler then Tampa...". "I want to play for a contender". Well Sparky, most contenders already have QBs...except for Minn. Plus, he has value....why would the Pack give away something that has value.

I grew up in Wisconsin and have been a lifelong Packer fan. I've love BF and enjoy watching him. His selfishness has just annoyed me lately and I'm ready to move on. I know AR isn't going to be half the QB Lord Favre is, but it's time to take that chance. I don't care if we only win 4 games this year, I’ll still be watching every game and I'll still support the decision the Packers made.

The Packers come before ANY player.

[Patler]

Bub, a very well-stated position. I can't say I disagree with anything.

[australianpackerbacker]

Re: Has your opinion of Favre changed?

Let's not argue in this thread who is right, who is wrong, what should or shouldn't be done. Let's not argue if he can or can not perform at a high level on the field. Let's limit it to a discussion of Favre the person. I'll pose this question:

Based on what has occurred since the end of the 2007 season and Favre's own statements and actions, has your opinion changed about Brett Favre as a person/team mate, and if so, how?

Consider the following:

All that has occurred since his retirement press conference.
His comments over his career regarding team, players commitment to the team, players' holdouts (Sharpe, MacKenzie, Walker, etc.) and how the team should respond to their holdout threats, etc.

As further discussion, how significant were his ramblings in the VanSustern "interview" in you changing or not changing your opinion of him?

In my opinion, how can you really blame the man for becoming the way he is.

Picture this.

Everyone in your home town absolutely adores you. Your one of the best football players to EVER play the game. Your constantly being heaped praise from every direction. You're a multimillionaire. Your face is on TV as much as most hollywood actors. Can you honestly say to yourself if you were put in his position you would not change at all into a me-guy? I know i probably wouldnt stay as normal as brett favre has over the last 10-15 years. And it took him towards the end of his career, to become this type of person.

Everybody loves him because he is the type of person that people magnetize to, that is precisley why half the fans are split on one side of the fence and half are on the other. In my opinion that is why most people are torn about this situation because of how much they have LOVED watching this charismatic country boy take the game of football to another level for the past 17 years with a level of passion and enthusiasm that no player has yet to match. Because of this, to some he is without fault, no matter what he says or does they stick by him as you would a brother/sister.

Ill save my anger/hatred/dissapointment for brett favre until he turns into a wife beater, a drunk, or a child molester. Until then, he will still be one of my all time favourite players.

[packinpatland]

After listening to the 2nd part of the interview last night, I am more behind Favre and like him even more than ever. Mostly because of the headlines this morning, about him 'calling their bluff'. The media makes it sound like he emphatically said that.......he didn't, it wasn't a serious point in the interview. This is the kind of media crap that has been going on for years.

Look back at that press conference that was called when he was at the golf tournament down in MS a few years ago.........the media said he had an announcement to make.........what did Brett say? "I don't know what you all are doing down here"

If anything, I'm tired of Brett being honest and open, I'm tired of the press taking advantage of it.

[Tarlam!]

Hey australianpackerbacker, are you sure you're only 21?

Great post. Makin' the other Aussie around here proud already!

[The Leaper]

Plus it looks like he really did get to the point where he thought he was bigger than the team. (and THE REASON Harlan let Sherman go).

Yeah, Sherman's pathetic drafting ability and poor postseason record had nothing to do with it.

[australianpackerbacker]

Hey australianpackerbacker, are you sure you're only 21?

Great post. Makin' the other Aussie around here proud already!

Lol thanks for the indirect compliment. I see myself as an honest person so i see no reason to bullshit, quite frankly.

[australianpackerbacker]

Plus it looks like he really did get to the point where he thought he was bigger than the team. (and THE REASON Harlan let Sherman go).

Yeah, Sherman's pathetic drafting ability and poor postseason record had nothing to do with it.

Agreed. Sherman was a huge factor for favres behaviour toward the end of his career.

[mraynrand]

One other point a bit off the track. But I can't stand 'Greta' and her tragedy TV crap. She runs these personal tragedy stories as though they are the norm - and scares the hell out of a lot of people. There are bad people, predators in our society, but to hear Greta tell it, they are lurking around every tree, waiting to snatch up your children. There's godawful stuff on that program. And softballing guys like Favre is par for the course for 'Greta' - Blecch. And it follows Hannity and Colmes - both of whom I can't stand - the Smug little prick Hannity and the Skeletal, embalmed non-thinker Colmes. Just having to look at those two makes me want to puke. Then I had to watch 'Greta' 'interview' 'Favre.' BTW, who the hell was that guy who looked a lot like the guy who QBed the Packers for 16 years?

(Rant over)

[Patler]

Re: Has your opinion of Favre changed?

In my opinion, how can you really blame the man for becoming the way he is.

Picture this.

Everyone in your home town absolutely adores you. Your one of the best football players to EVER play the game. Your constantly being heaped praise from every direction. You're a multimillionaire. Your face is on TV as much as most hollywood actors. Can you honestly say to yourself if you were put in his position you would not change at all into a me-guy? I know i probably wouldnt stay as normal as brett favre has over the last 10-15 years. And it took him towards the end of his career, to become this type of person.

Everybody loves him because he is the type of person that people magnetize to, that is precisley why half the fans are split on one side of the fence and half are on the other. In my opinion that is why most people are torn about this situation because of how much they have LOVED watching this charismatic country boy take the game of football to another level for the past 17 years with a level of passion and enthusiasm that no player has yet to match. Because of this, to some he is without fault, no matter what he says or does they stick by him as you would a brother/sister.

Ill save my anger/hatred/dissapointment for brett favre until he turns into a wife beater, a drunk, or a child molester. Until then, he will still be one of my all time favourite players.

It's not blaming Favre. It's not about being angry, hateful or disappointed in him. But I think you did hit on a key point that is being demonstrated by all that is happening. Favre is NOT much different than any of the other mega-superstars, even though many had hoped or believed that he was. It is those opinions that I think might be changing.

[mraynrand]

Plus it looks like he really did get to the point where he thought he was bigger than the team. (and THE REASON Harlan let Sherman go).

Yeah, Sherman's pathetic drafting ability and poor postseason record had nothing to do with it.

Yawn. Nice all or none thinking. Of course other factors were involved. My point: Sherman's inability to put team over individual was a critical flaw and a significant reason he didn't make a good GM - and it's the most relevant point to this conversation about Favre.

[The Leaper]

Yawn. Nice all or none thinking. Of course other factors were involved. My point: Sherman's inability to put team over individual was a critical flaw and a significant reason he didn't make a good GM - and it's the most relevant point to this conversation about Favre.

You are absolutely incorrect.

Sherman did put the team first. Sherman was not a huge ego. He was trying to put pieces together so the team could win. He just had no clue how to do it.

He just sucked at being a GM, and was mostly mediocre as a coach. He coddled Favre because he thought that was best. He was wrong.