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  • #46
    TAMPA — Acquiring Packers quarterback Brett Favre has at least been discussed in the front office of One Buc Place.

    General manager Bruce Allen last week asked quarterback Chris Simms how he thought Favre would fare in the Bucs offense with limited practice time.

    "He asked me questions about Brett Favre," Simms said. "He asked if I felt Brett would be able to come back and be good here if he didn't have a lot of reps in training camp. I said I thought he would but there would have to be some compromise with coach (Jon) Gruden. He'll just want the play called and to drop back and throw it in there.

    "But it's something we talked about."

    The Packers reportedly have been gauging interest about trading for Favre and have contacted at least one NFC opponent.

    The Bucs run a version of the West Coast offense but Gruden's system has evolved to the point where Favre may need at least a full training camp to pick it up.

    Starter Jeff Garcia, who also is 38, is in the final year of his contract and unhappy about the lack of progress on an extension.

    Allen declined to comment Tuesday whether the Bucs might be interested in Favre.

    "There's been so many reports that have come out in the last few weeks," Allen said. "The only people that can address that are the Packers and/or the player. I can't keep up with all of them."

    Asked if he saw any scenario in which Favre might play for the Bucs this season, Allen said, "Again, all of those conversations are hypotheticals. Only the Packers or the player can ever discuss those things."

    But apparently, it was a discussion between Allen and Simms. Simms, who has asked to be traded, said Allen sent him a notice requiring him to honor an early reporting date of July 15 at 7 a.m.

    Simms, 27, who did not participate in the offseason workout program or mandatory minicamp, complied rather than risk a fine. He said the Bucs wanted to evaluate him and he threw passes to receivers Wednesday and Thursday.

    "I did work out, but there were no coaches there," Simms said. "They wanted me to work out and throw to receivers. Bruce did go out on the field one day to check it out."

    While Simms will be among the 80 players reporting to the Celebration Hotel on Friday, Garcia has been excused for the weekend to attend a reunion to celebrate the 35th anniversary of Gavilan College's 1973 national title. Garcia's father Bob, who coached Gavilan for 23 seasons, organized the event. Garcia played one season in 1989 at Gavilan before transferring to San Jose State.

    The Bucs will bring five quarterbacks to camp, although Simms might be insurance against injury or eventually be traded.

    "We'll adapt as we go," Allen said. "The five quarterbacks, as we've talked about, the position is important us. We see it as a need position in the entire NFL. We feel fortunate that we have on our roster four different guys that have won games for the Buccaneers. A lot of teams wish they could say they have two.

    "The mind-set is let's make sure everyone we have stays healthy. We've seen our depth depleted at different times at various positions due to injuries," Allen said. "We really like the players that we have in place. We'll see what transpires. It's too hard to predict the future right now.''

    In June, Simms said his relationship with Gruden was beyond repair.

    "I told Bruce, 'Hey, I have a lot of respect for you,' " Simms said. " 'But I don't see how it can work. There were so many things that were said and done and you knew they were wrong.' He said he was just doing what was best for the team."

    Allen said the Bucs must release four players by Friday to comply with the 80-man roster limit.

    Offensive lineman Jeremy Zuttah, a third-round pick, reached an agreement, leaving three draft choices unsigned: cornerback Aqib Talib, the first-rounder; receiver/returner Dexter Jackson (second round) and quarterback Josh Johnson (fifth round).

    Allen said it appears that running back Cadillac Williams (knee) is headed to the physically unable to perform list. If so, he will count against the roster limit.

    "Cadillac is the one you feel is going that way, but not only by league rule," Allen said. "We decided a long time ago we would give him a complete physical at the beginning of camp along with everyone else and make a decision on that day."
    Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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    • #47
      ^Either Simms is an idiot, or Allen, a genius for telling Simms to speak. Get the word out to Favre they want him, without being charged with tampering.

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      • #48
        from the jets:

        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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        • #49
          I think Favre may be waiting around for an injury on another team. At first I dismissed this theory, since it makes more sense for him to get into a team's camp early. But the longer this goes on, that becomes the most likely scenario for him to play this year.

          It's not such a bad situaiton, the Packers will probably get a better draft pick this way.

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          • #50
            Florio's talking about the eagles now--just put it up...
            Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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            • #51
              Originally posted by sheepshead
              Florio's talking about the eagles now--just put it up...
              No way!
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              • #52
                The Jets seem like a good trading partner for Favre. They could use a fan draw and PR coup to compete with the Super Bowl champion Giants, they need a qb, they are an AFC team, and New York should be big enough for Favre's ego (if that's even possible).
                I know a lot of posters don't like him, but I'd love to see the Pack get Chad Pennington as part of the deal. Yes, he has less than a cannon arm, and yes, he's had injuries, but he's highly football-smart, and would be a fine #2 while Brohm acquires that 1st year apprenticeship experience. Hopefully, Flynn could sneak on to the practice squad, although it's likely another team would snap him up.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by The Shadow
                  The Jets seem like a good trading partner for Favre. They could use a fan draw and PR coup to compete with the Super Bowl champion Giants, they need a qb, they are an AFC team, and New York should be big enough for Favre's ego (if that's even possible).
                  I know a lot of posters don't like him, but I'd love to see the Pack get Chad Pennington as part of the deal. Yes, he has less than a cannon arm, and yes, he's had injuries, but he's highly football-smart, and would be a fine #2 while Brohm acquires that 1st year apprenticeship experience. Hopefully, Flynn could sneak on to the practice squad, although it's likely another team would snap him up.

                  I think Pennington is a fine #2 as long as he doesn't have to play. Frankly I'd be more interested in seeing Brohm play after AROD gets hurt than Pennington.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by The Shadow
                    The Jets seem like a good trading partner for Favre. They could use a fan draw and PR coup to compete with the Super Bowl champion Giants, they need a qb, they are an AFC team, and New York should be big enough for Favre's ego (if that's even possible).
                    I know a lot of posters don't like him, but I'd love to see the Pack get Chad Pennington as part of the deal. Yes, he has less than a cannon arm, and yes, he's had injuries, but he's highly football-smart, and would be a fine #2 while Brohm acquires that 1st year apprenticeship experience. Hopefully, Flynn could sneak on to the practice squad, although it's likely another team would snap him up.
                    If Pennington is the #2 and Brohm is the #3, then Brohm certainly isn't going to get enough reps in practice to develop a whole lot. I'm fine with Brohm as the #2. It gives him more practice reps, as well as a better chance to get real game experience. He'll be a better QB for it.
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                    • #55
                      This is like a 4 week nightmare.
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                      • #56
                        How does Brett text with those big thumbs?


                        Packers: Truth may lie in text messages; Favre to Tampa Bay?
                        By JASON WILDE
                        608-252-6176
                        jwilde@madison.com
                        GREEN BAY — As the Green Bay Packers continue to make calls to prospective trading partners in hopes of dealing Brett Favre before training camp opens, new evidence has emerged in the team's tampering case against the Minnesota Vikings regarding the semi-retired quarterback.


                        Two NFL sources said Wednesday that, in addition to cell-phone records of calls between Favre and Minnesota coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, the club also claims Favre sent text messages back-and-forth with the two Vikings coaches.


                        In the aftermath of Favre asking for his outright release July 11, the Packers accused the Vikings of tampering with Favre by engaging in "inappropriate dialogue" with him.


                        According to an Associated Press report last week, the Packers felt "an investigation of the phone records would show more than 'normal contact' between the Vikings and Favre, even before he formally asked for his release to play for another team."


                        A league source confirmed previous media reports that Favre was using a Packers-issued cell phone in his alleged communications with Bevell and Childress.


                        The number of text messages between Favre and the two Vikings coaches would also help prove the Packers' case. However, a spokesman for Verizon Wireless said Wednesday the carrier only keeps the substance of text messages for a brief time and the owners of the phone only have access to the destination numbers of texts sent from the device.


                        Verizon Wireless is one of the Packers' corporate partners, providing staff phones and sponsoring one of the Lambeau Field entry gates.


                        "We keep (text messages) for a very short time — days," said David Clevenger, Verizon's executive director of media relations for the Midwest region. "Then, we clean out our computers. We have 68 million customers, and we wouldn't be able to keep all their text messages. We have no reason to do it. There's no way they (the Packers) would be able to go back and pull up what was said (in the texts)."


                        But, the owners of the phone are able to see where the texts were sent, much like an itemized bill details every call made and received.


                        "If they own the phone, then they have the right to do that," Clevenger said.


                        Clevenger also said Verizon only began making text message destination numbers accessible to owners in May.


                        The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported NFL security officials were at the Vikings' Winter Park headquarters Wednesday, continuing their investigation into the charges.


                        While the Star Tribune's sources did not know exactly with whom NFL officials spoke, it's believed Childress and Bevell were questioned.


                        The NFL arrived at the Vikings' offices only a day before the team was to report to training camp in Mankato, Minn.


                        The Vikings have remained quiet on the tampering charge since news broke last week.


                        Owner Zygi Wilf told the Star Tribune last week he wouldn't comment on the Packers' accusation but added, "Let's put it this way, I look forward to the opening game in Green Bay."


                        The Vikings face the Packers in the regular-season opener Sept. 8 at Lambeau Field, where Favre's No. 4 jersey is scheduled to be retired. ESPN reported Tuesday night that Favre "clearly prefers to play for the Vikings."


                        However, Tampa Bay is increasingly looking like Favre's destination. Buccaneers quarterback Chris Simms told the St. Petersburg Times that general manager Bruce Allen asked him last week how he thought Favre would fare in the Bucs' offense with limited practice time.


                        "(Allen) asked me questions about Brett Favre," Simms told the paper's NFL reporter, Rick Stroud. "He asked if I felt Brett would be able to come back and be good here if he didn't have a lot of reps in training camp. I said I thought he would but there would have to be some compromise with coach (Jon) Gruden. He'll just want the play called and to drop back and throw it in there.


                        "But it's something we talked about."


                        The Bucs run a version of the West Coast offense, and Gruden, a Packers assistant from 1992 through '94, long has admired Favre.


                        Tampa Bay starter Jeff Garcia, who like Favre is 38, is in the final year of his contract and unhappy about the lack of progress on an extension. The Packers play the Buccaneers Sept. 28 in Tampa.


                        The Buccaneers have traded for a supposedly-retired quarterback before, acquiring Jake Plummer from Denver last year for a seventh-round pick. Plummer remained retired and never played for the Bucs, who surrendered the pick nonetheless.


                        An NFL source said Wednesday it's possible Favre will do the same as Plummer and simply not report after the trade is agreed upon.


                        However, that source said the Packers are actively trying to deal Favre before training camp opens on Monday, which would eliminate the threat of him applying for reinstatement whenever he wanted to and the team having to take him back.


                        ESPN reported Wednesday that the Packers contacted the Philadelphia Eagles about Favre. Eagles coach Andy Reid was a Packers assistant from 1992-98, and Favre's position coach the final two years.



                        Commissioner Roger Goodell has also gotten involved, trying to accelerate the trade process to resolve the bitter dispute between Favre and the Packers.


                        Under that scenario, the Packers would send the rights to Favre, who is on the reserve/retired list, to his new team.


                        Favre would then have to decide whether he would apply for reinstatement with Goodell's office or simply abandon his unretirement attempt and stay on the sidelines.


                        The new team would then have the rights to Favre, whose contract is set to expire after the 2010 season.
                        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                        • #57


                          just for fun...
                          Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by woodbuck27
                            This is like a 4 week nightmare.
                            I'd say that's an optimistic reading.
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                            • #59
                              Why would a GM like Bruce Allen ask a jurneyman QB who's on the outs what he thinks about how quickly Favre could pick up the system? Why would Simms know that any better than Jon Gruden?
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by The Shadow
                                The Jets seem like a good trading partner for Favre. They could use a fan draw and PR coup to compete with the Super Bowl champion Giants, they need a qb, they are an AFC team, and New York should be big enough for Favre's ego (if that's even possible).
                                I know a lot of posters don't like him, but I'd love to see the Pack get Chad Pennington as part of the deal. Yes, he has less than a cannon arm, and yes, he's had injuries, but he's highly football-smart, and would be a fine #2 while Brohm acquires that 1st year apprenticeship experience. Hopefully, Flynn could sneak on to the practice squad, although it's likely another team would snap him up.

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