Question on Favre to Minny

[AtlPackFan]

I really don't know how this works so be kind if I am missing something really obvious.

Let's say that Favre is traded to Tampa...or wherever. What is to keep the Vikings from going to that team and blowing them away with an offer for Favre (think Herschel Walker). Can the terms of the trade include that whoever he is traded to can't turn around and trade him to Minny, Chicago for a certain amount of months, years???

[Fritz]

I don't think that the Pack can dictate a player's future once they trade him. TT might try to get informal assurances but even that might seem insulting.

I think if he trades Favre, he takes his chances after that. That's why it's incumbent upon him to get as much as he can for Favre, if he trades the guy. If Taylor's worth a second, then Favre's got to be worth more than that, in my opinion.

[billy_oliver880]

Re: Question on Favre to Minny

I really don't know how this works so be kind if I am missing something really obvious.

Let's say that Favre is traded to Tampa...or wherever. What is to keep the Vikings from going to that team and blowing them away with an offer for Favre (think Herschel Walker). Can the terms of the trade include that whoever he is traded to can't turn around and trade him to Minny, Chicago for a certain amount of months, years???

I was just thinking that myself. I sure hope that the packers would "poison pill" the trade agreement if that were to occur.

[retailguy]

Poison pills such as discussed above aren't allowed. You can have a "gentleman's agreement" but it won't be enforced by the NFL.

[Gunakor]

Re: Question on Favre to Minny

I really don't know how this works so be kind if I am missing something really obvious.

Let's say that Favre is traded to Tampa...or wherever. What is to keep the Vikings from going to that team and blowing them away with an offer for Favre (think Herschel Walker). Can the terms of the trade include that whoever he is traded to can't turn around and trade him to Minny, Chicago for a certain amount of months, years???

Nothing in particular would stop them, but I don't see why you'd trade for a player to help improve your football team only to trade him away the next day.

Minnesota can't discuss a deal with Tampa while Favre is still property of the Green Bay Packers. Until that deal is made, not a word can come from the Vikings about a deal. So at the earliest, Favre wouldn't make it to Minnesota before the end of preseason. Which means he probably wouldn't be the starter on week 1. Which means we wouldn't have to watch him run out of the visitors tunnel at Lambeau, and gives us a better chance at a split with the Vikings at least in 2008. I think that might soften the blow a tad.

[Patler]

Conditional trades are done all the time.

For example, trade him for the higher of the teams 2nd round pick in 2009; or the compensation received in a subsequent trade of Favre during the 2008 season (edit - originally mistyped as "during the 2009 season") plus the teams fourth round pick in 2009.

[Fritz]

You ought to be a GM Patler.

The Lions could use someone who knows a little about football.

[Zool]

Conditional trades are done all the time.

For example, trade him for the higher of the teams 2nd round pick in 2009; or the compensation received in a subsequent trade of Favre during the 2009 season plus the teams fourth round pick in 2009.

Exactly. I said this last week that if they trade him, it better be for conditional picks. Like a 2nd and 6th in 09 and a 7th in 10 and a 7th in 11. If Favre plays for someone other than the traded to team in the next year, the picks become firsts.

[Guiness]

Poison pills such as discussed above aren't allowed. You can have a "gentleman's agreement" but it won't be enforced by the NFL.

Given the current state of poison pills (the Minne/Seattle one is still allowed, isn't it?) I'd say it's more a matter of not being thought up than not allowed. See Patler's response. Something that says if he is traded again during the '08 season, any compensation they receive for him is assigned to the Pack, as well as the initial compensation...it doesn't stop his movement, but certainly makes it onerous.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Conditional trades are done all the time.

For example, trade him for the higher of the teams 2nd round pick in 2009; or the compensation received in a subsequent trade of Favre during the 2009 season plus the teams fourth round pick in 2009.

I would imagine any stipulation similar to this one would stop a trade dead in its tracks. Not that it does'nt exist, but it seems like an awful steep price to pay in order to maintain some leverage in the player's dealings.

[cheesner]

The only way around this, though, is for the traded team to release Favre, and then Minny signs Brett directly. The Vikes could then trade a 2nd round pick to that team, as a means of returning the favor, for a marginal player.

The conditional trade clause would have to cover releasing Favre also.

[Patler]

Conditional trades are done all the time.

For example, trade him for the higher of the teams 2nd round pick in 2009; or the compensation received in a subsequent trade of Favre during the 2008 season plus the teams fourth round pick in 2009.

I would imagine any stipulation similar to this one would stop a trade dead in its tracks. Not that it does'nt exist, but it seems like an awful steep price to pay in order to maintain some leverage in the player's dealings.

It would stop a deal only with a team who intends to act as an intermediary in getting Favre to a different team, and who hopes to gain from the double trade. If a team really wants Favre for themselves, it would be no impediment at all.

JUST REALIZED I HAD A TYPO, might have confused you! I meant a trade during the 2008 season. Sorry.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Conditional trades are done all the time.

For example, trade him for the higher of the teams 2nd round pick in 2009; or the compensation received in a subsequent trade of Favre during the 2008 season plus the teams fourth round pick in 2009.

I would imagine any stipulation similar to this one would stop a trade dead in its tracks. Not that it does'nt exist, but it seems like an awful steep price to pay in order to maintain some leverage in the player's dealings.

It would stop a deal only with a team who intends to act as an intermediary in getting Favre to a different team, and who hopes to gain from the double trade. If a team really wants Favre for themselves, it would be no impediment at all.

JUST REALIZED I HAD A TYPO, might have confused you! I meant a trade during the 2008 season. Sorry.

Agreed, if it were a trade to a team that only wants Favre. I just can't imagine a team not wanting to protect themselves. For instance, although highly improbable; what if Favre struggles to pick up th O if he were traded to a non WCO. That team may want to abandon the plan and deal him off. Granted this is highly unlikely, but a clause like that would really back a team into a corner if for some reason Favre does not work out. Or demands a release.

[Ballboy]

Who cares?


If the Packers don't want him to play for them, let him go play somewhere else......what, are the Packers afraid that Brett might come back to beat them?......the solution to that is simple then, let him play for the Packers!!

[pack4to84]

The only way around this, though, is for the traded team to release Favre, and then Minny signs Brett directly. The Vikes could then trade a 2nd round pick to that team, as a means of returning the favor, for a marginal player.

The conditional trade clause would have to cover releasing Favre also.

If he is release he would be subject to waver rules. Which would go by last year final standings in which the Bears would be one of the first teams to get a crack at claiming him off wavers, because of there bad record.