Favre's secret grievances

[Harlan Huckleby]

If you accept the Packers version of events, Favre was way out of line in demanding that the Packers accept him back as a starter or release him from his contract. Nothing that has come from the Favre camp has contradicted the Packers story.

Some diehard Favre supporters appear unhappy with what we know, so they say the truth lies in the unknown. They suggest that Favre was done wrong by Thompson and we just don't know what happened. (TT makes a better villian, even though McCarthy's judgement was likely the turning point.)

Lets have some speculation, some specifics. What could the Packers have done wrong to Favre that he chose to hide in his scorched-earth interview with Dame Gretta?

[GrnBay007]

Don't you have an unmarried pregnant teen out there somewhere to lobby for? :P

[Harlan Huckleby]

your grudge against Mazzin never ends. All the women were so jealous of that sweet girl.

[Zool]

Tank

[GrnBay007]

your grudge against Mazzin never ends. All the women were so jealous of that sweet girl.

LOL
no grudge, I was doggin you blue dog :P

[woodbuck27]

IT's LIKE A CLOSELY GUARDED FAMILY SECRET. REALLY HARD TO GET IT OUT THERE.

YOUR ALWAYS HURTIN' AT HOME SO YOU TRY TO RUN AWAY. THEY COME AND GET YOU BUT YOU ESCAPE AGAIN. SO YOU SLIP UP DOWN AT JOE'S SMOKE SHOP. TELL JOE WHAT DADDY DID TO YOU.

JOE TELLS DADDY AND YOUR DRUG BACK HOME AND STASHED IN THE ATTIC.

[mraynrand]

Re: Favre's secret grievances

If you accept the Packers version of events, Favre was way out of line in demanding that the Packers accept him back as a starter or release him from his contract. Nothing that has come from the Favre camp has contradicted the Packers story.

Some diehard Favre supporters appear unhappy with what we know, so they say the truth lies in the unknown. They suggest that Favre was done wrong by Thompson and we just don't know what happened. (TT makes a better villian, even though McCarthy's judgement was likely the turning point.)

Lets have some speculation, some specifics. What could the Packers have done wrong to Favre that he chose to hide in his scorched-earth interview with Dame Gretta?

I'm certain Favre would have come back under any circumstance, just so long as TT resigned Torrence Marsahal - at least according to his girlfriend (Tank?).

[Bretsky]

TT told Favre they did not want him back at all; then he fed the media full of lines that they might allow him to come in and compete. Favre is a media idiot; TT is a media whiz with how he is able to give them exactly what he wants

Deanna has often been level headed; don't think for a second her and Brett didn't talk before his interview with Greta. They feel wronged.

I don't know if the above is it, but the message the Packer flagship keep preaching is that

BF and his wife feel that TT has not been honest and up front with them.

It's too bad his dad was not around; with the right guidance I'm convinced we would not have to go through this BS year to year

[th87]

Re: Favre's secret grievances

If you accept the Packers version of events, Favre was way out of line in demanding that the Packers accept him back as a starter or release him from his contract. Nothing that has come from the Favre camp has contradicted the Packers story.

Some diehard Favre supporters appear unhappy with what we know, so they say the truth lies in the unknown. They suggest that Favre was done wrong by Thompson and we just don't know what happened. (TT makes a better villian, even though McCarthy's judgement was likely the turning point.)

Lets have some speculation, some specifics. What could the Packers have done wrong to Favre that he chose to hide in his scorched-earth interview with Dame Gretta?

I'm certain Favre would have come back under any circumstance, just so long as TT resigned Torrence Marsahal - at least according to his girlfriend (Tank?).

Grip a grip, man.

[th87]

TT told Favre they did not want him back at all; then he fed the media full of lines that they might allow him to come in and compete. Favre is a media idiot; TT is a media whiz with how he is able to give them exactly what he wants

Deanna has often been level headed; don't think for a second her and Brett didn't talk before his interview with Greta. They feel wronged.

I don't know if the above is it, but the message the Packer flagship keep preaching is that

BF and his wife feel that TT has not been honest and up front with them.

It's too bad his dad was not around; with the right guidance I'm convinced we would not have to go through this BS year to year

What would motivate TT to go this route? His job is dependent upon the Packers succeeding. If he chases away his franchise player, he must think Rodgers is the real deal. In which case, I trust him. He knows a lot more than I, and is putting his ass on the line.

I also don't think TT is good enough of a people person to orchestrate a media manipulation like this. Notice that a lot of people have issues with him - Favre, Walker, Moss, Al Davis, Wahle. All of these people have had something or other to say about him. Usually, when it's just your regular business dispute, people don't say much. But these folks went out of their way to trash TT. Might say something.

[MJZiggy]

That's true--yet I see it as a boss/employee relationship and sometimes when the boss does something the employee doesn't like, they trash talk him. Difference is, this is a league with a very public face, so when players go to trash the boss, a lot of people hear it.

I mean, let's face it: Wahle was a cap issue and probably could legitimately complain, Walker was being an idiot, don't know if Davis really had an issue with him--he just chose a different trade. And people that complain, were they complaining specifically at TT or did they just not like what the Packers were doing at the time?

[RashanGary]

People who tried to leverage and pressure TT's hand don't like him because he doesn't panic. Agents probably hate him. He just moves forward and trusts his ablity to find a replacement. Sometimes it happens rightaway (like just about everything last year). Sometimes it takes some time (like not being able to replace Wahle/Rivera in a couple months time or not being able to replenish a completely depleated roster with no cap money or depth. Acctually, I think this has more to do wth the team he inheritted but it still proves he can't do everything all at once).

[prsnfoto]

If you accept the Packers version of events.





This is a key line, I don't. The cell phone was exposed yesterday as a lie. A lot of the hate towards Brett revolves around his wanting to go to the Vikings and now we know that may not even be true. If the charges are quickly dropped then I would say that was all a smear campaign by the front office. The whole thing is Sad.

[Carolina_Packer]

I think the whole stand-off has to do with the June conversation between MM and Brett where MM said the team had moved on. I think it really surprised Favre that they wouldn't just accept him back on a loose time-table as Favre wanted. He did admit that he told MM that what he really wanted to do was wait until training camp, to which MM said, "Well, why didn't you just say that?" (I'm sure there was a frustrated tone there). That was a legit question from MM.

So, what did TT do? He made his decision without Favre's input apparently, so by the time MM and Brett spoke (without consulting Brett first), the team had moved on. I think this is what stirred Brett up. I think again, he thought the team would accept him back as the starter whenever he said he was going to come back. Surprise! I don't know what the lies are that Brett is claiming. Speaking of lies, what do you call a player who retires, then tells the team he's thinking of unretiring and then calls them back and said, nah, I've changed my mind again? Indecisive for sure. Yes, TT and MM could have said, Brett will get whatever leeway he needs to make his decision, but they didn't (at least not after a certain point that Favre was not aware of until after the fact). Speaks perhaps more to their confidence in Rodgers, rather than a lack of confidence in Brett's ability. Perhaps they just said enough is enough. They have that right, for sure. Personally, I wish they had accepted Brett back despite the waffling for one more go, but they didn't do that and said he could come back no guaranteeing a starting role. Favre really got mad about that since he probably felt somewhat entitled to the job, like, "why wouldn't they just want me back whenever they could get me?"

[Fritz]

To echo an old post by Patler, with the Wahle thing TT actually did explore trying to re-structure but it was impossible the way Shermy had set up the contract and the team's sal cap.

I think TT maybe says he'll do something (like interview Mariucci), but does it half ass (he according to Favre only called Mariucci after he'd already hired MM). I think he clams up in a confrontation. And that could be tough to deal with.