According to Chris Havel of GB Press Gazette

[GBRulz]

I know, CW...and I'm certainly not denying that Favre has thrown plenty of bone-headed passes in his career. He's also done some pretty amazing things as well.

[Bretsky]

If Favre has a photographic memory, how come he threw so many passes to the wrong color uniform?

Having receivers named Taco certainly doesn't help.

But one can also ask....how come he has thrown so many TD's throughout his career??

1.2 touchdowns for every 1.0 turnover.

442 TD
288 INT

Are you seriously working fumbles into this equation and using it as evidence of something ? If you are there is another reason not to take you serious. Wow

[Carolina_Packer]

Unless a deal is in place already, this news isn't exactly going to drive up the price for Tampa.

No, but Rodger Goodell did get involved and if he is going to encourage the Packers to act with some haste, I would expect that he encourages suiters to respond in a way that is fair to both sides. I think the NFL realizes this thing is ugly and they just want a quick, fair resolution that is fair for everyone and gets Brett into a team in time to make some money for the NFL. Ulitmately it's a money thing, but I would expect it to be fair as well. Maybe I'm naive but I have confidence in leadership here.

He can encourage Tampa all he wants, but they are the ones with the upper hand. Goodell and the packers want this shit resolved, and i bet Tampa doesn't want to give the asking price. There TC doesnt start for another week so they also have time

No. This is wrong. The Packers are not under any pressure to get anything done. The best thing that can happen is Favre delaying filing the reinstatement papers indefinitely. True, Tampa also may not be under any pressure--they probably could use Favre, but they could just as well play the season without him too.

ESPN says the Packers are asking for a first round pick. That's fine. I doubt anybody will be dumb enough to pay that much, but if they do, fine, take it.

Bottom line is the Packers can just pay Favre his salary and let him sit--f--- the commissioner and the media and anybody else that doesn't like it.

Asking for a 1st rounder is just a starting point. I'm sure it would be whittled down to perhaps a 2nd or multiple 3rd round picks, or a 2nd this year, perhaps a player, etc.

[Chevelle2]

If Favre has a photographic memory, how come he threw so many passes to the wrong color uniform?

Having receivers named Taco certainly doesn't help.

But one can also ask....how come he has thrown so many TD's throughout his career??

1.2 touchdowns for every 1.0 turnover.

442 TD
288 INT

Are you seriously working fumbles into this equation and using it as evidence of something ? If you are there is another reason not to take you serious. Wow

Why? When did fumbles stop counting?

[RashanGary]

Favre is getting older and he hasn't had any championship success in the last 10 years. I doubt it's coming this year. I'm at a point where I want to appreciate 11-15 years ago when he was an up and coming champion but move forward today.

Thanks for everything, Brett. The organization is moving forward though.

[texaspackerbacker]

Unless a deal is in place already, this news isn't exactly going to drive up the price for Tampa.

No, but Rodger Goodell did get involved and if he is going to encourage the Packers to act with some haste, I would expect that he encourages suiters to respond in a way that is fair to both sides. I think the NFL realizes this thing is ugly and they just want a quick, fair resolution that is fair for everyone and gets Brett into a team in time to make some money for the NFL. Ulitmately it's a money thing, but I would expect it to be fair as well. Maybe I'm naive but I have confidence in leadership here.

He can encourage Tampa all he wants, but they are the ones with the upper hand. Goodell and the packers want this shit resolved, and i bet Tampa doesn't want to give the asking price. There TC doesnt start for another week so they also have time

No. This is wrong. The Packers are not under any pressure to get anything done. The best thing that can happen is Favre delaying filing the reinstatement papers indefinitely. True, Tampa also may not be under any pressure--they probably could use Favre, but they could just as well play the season without him too.

ESPN says the Packers are asking for a first round pick. That's fine. I doubt anybody will be dumb enough to pay that much, but if they do, fine, take it.

Bottom line is the Packers can just pay Favre his salary and let him sit--f--- the commissioner and the media and anybody else that doesn't like it.

Asking for a 1st rounder is just a starting point. I'm sure it would be whittled down to perhaps a 2nd or multiple 3rd round picks, or a 2nd this year, perhaps a player, etc.

That assumes that the Packers WANT to make a trade. I don't believe they do. The price of a first round pick is deliberately too high. If we get it , fine. If not, no big deal. Just let Favre sit. The worst thing would be to let him play somewhere else without the Packers getting OVER-compensated.

[Bretsky]

If Favre has a photographic memory, how come he threw so many passes to the wrong color uniform?

Having receivers named Taco certainly doesn't help.

But one can also ask....how come he has thrown so many TD's throughout his career??

1.2 touchdowns for every 1.0 turnover.

442 TD
288 INT

Are you seriously working fumbles into this equation and using it as evidence of something ? If you are there is another reason not to take you serious. Wow

Why? When did fumbles stop counting?

Ah, and every one is on the QB.

Fair enough. That's really all the drivel I needed to confirm that you will manipulate the facts while ignoring the circumstances surrounding them. I'll keep my debate to those who are reasonable and you can push your Favre hate on others.

[Bretsky]

Favre is getting older and he hasn't had any championship success in the last 10 years. I doubt it's coming this year. I'm at a point where I want to appreciate 11-15 years ago when he was an up and coming champion but move forward today.

Thanks for everything, Brett. The organization is moving forward though.

IMO Ted would reflect those views perfectly. He won't be a Packer long IMO

[Chevelle2]

If Favre has a photographic memory, how come he threw so many passes to the wrong color uniform?

Having receivers named Taco certainly doesn't help.

But one can also ask....how come he has thrown so many TD's throughout his career??

1.2 touchdowns for every 1.0 turnover.

442 TD
288 INT

Are you seriously working fumbles into this equation and using it as evidence of something ? If you are there is another reason not to take you serious. Wow

Why? When did fumbles stop counting?

Ah, and every one is on the QB.

Fair enough. That's really all the drivel I needed to confirm that you will manipulate the facts while ignoring the circumstances surrounding them. I'll keep my debate to those who are reasonable and you can push your Favre hate on others.

How am I manipulating facts? I love him to death, hes top 3 ever, but IMO he just doesn't have it anymore. Am I not allowed to have my opinion?

Heres your breakdown for those playoff games, as you asked:

Super Bowl (Denver): 256 yards, 3 touchdowns, 2 TOs
San Francisco: 292 yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 Ints
San Francisco:269, 2 touchdowns, 1 Int
St. Louis: 281, 2 touchdowns, 6 Ints
Atlanta: 247, 1 touchdown, 2 Ints
Seattle: 319, 1 touchdown, 0 Ints
Philadelphia180 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 Int
Minnesota216 yards, 1 touchdown, 4 Ints
Seattle172 yards, 3 touchdowns, 0 Ints
NY 236 yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 Ints

19 touchdowns, 20 TOs

[falco]

in Bart Starr's last 10 postseason games, he threw 3 interceptions and went 9-1......

[Bretsky]

If Favre has a photographic memory, how come he threw so many passes to the wrong color uniform?

Having receivers named Taco certainly doesn't help.

But one can also ask....how come he has thrown so many TD's throughout his career??

1.2 touchdowns for every 1.0 turnover.

442 TD
288 INT

Are you seriously working fumbles into this equation and using it as evidence of something ? If you are there is another reason not to take you serious. Wow

Why? When did fumbles stop counting?

Ah, and every one is on the QB.

Fair enough. That's really all the drivel I needed to confirm that you will manipulate the facts while ignoring the circumstances surrounding them. I'll keep my debate to those who are reasonable and you can push your Favre hate on others.

How am I manipulating facts? I love him to death, hes top 3 ever, but IMO he just doesn't have it anymore. Am I not allowed to have my opinion?

Heres your breakdown for those playoff games, as you asked:

Super Bowl (Denver): 256 yards, 3 touchdowns, 2 TOs
San Francisco: 292 yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 Ints
San Francisco:269, 2 touchdowns, 1 Int
St. Louis: 281, 2 touchdowns, 6 Ints
Atlanta: 247, 1 touchdown, 2 Ints
Seattle: 319, 1 touchdown, 0 Ints
Philadelphia180 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 Int
Minnesota216 yards, 1 touchdown, 4 Ints
Seattle172 yards, 3 touchdowns, 0 Ints
NY 236 yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 Ints

19 touchdowns, 20 TOs

OK, that was my bad. If you look at your first post with the 1.2 to 1 ratio you did not note that was playoff stats only. So I thought you were using his regular season stats when coming up with that ratio. My apologies.

[Chevelle2]

The 1.2 to 1 TD/TO ratio, ARE his regular season stats.

I took the number of fumbles he had in the regular season, figured he recovered a generous half of them.

Bretsky, Im gonna gracefully step out - we are just going to have to disagree.

[falco]

im not going to open a giant Favre debate here, but I do want to say that I think he was a great QB and definitely top 10, possibly edging top 5. But I think his poor postseason play and sometimes erratic decision making has to be one of the biggest things keeping him out of the top 5

[sepporepi]

If you consider fumbles, you should also consider his rushing TDs:

Bei my count it is:


453= 442+13 TDs
397=288+83 TOs

So it is a 1,22 regular season TD/TO regular season ratio.

Playoffs:

(39+1)/(28+4)=1,25

So his playoff ratio is almost the same as his regular season ratio.

Compared to Elway regular season:

(300+33)/(226+102)=1,01

Compared to Marino regular season:

(420+9)/(252+67)=1,34

Moreover his ratio seems to be on par with what other greats have done.
I am too lazy to look up more.

[MJZiggy]

You're less lazy than the rest of us, who didn't look up that much...