Favre: I'm not reporting to camp yet

[cpk1994]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.

[Rastak]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.

Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.

[cpk1994]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.

Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.

Because this is an ongoing investigation and there is no real reason to make it public.

[bobblehead]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

joe - i think if they had any discussion with favre in regards to playing with the vikings it is tampering, regardless of who started it or how long it went

That can't be right. Any player could call any team at any time, say a couple words and get his team a draft pick if that were the case.

If Favre called and the Vikings continued to say, "we can't discuss that" they are innocent. Are they innocent? Seems kinda unlikely to me...

Much like Bill clinton should have said "young lady, please control yourself" and then had the secret service escort her out, the vikings should have said "brett, we can't talk to you at all" and then hung up.

Its laughable to think brett talked to childress about anything other than playing for the vikes. they are buddies too now, not just he and bevell?

[Guiness]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.

Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.

Because this is an ongoing investigation and there is no real reason to make it public.

If 'tak was refering to the 49ers/Bears, that's not still an ongoing investigation, is it? Were the e-mails you were talking about was for that case?

I always thought the 49ers got beat up pretty bad for doing next to nothing there, and wondered if there was something else. Because if what was reported in that case is the standard for proof, Minny is going to take it on the chin here!

[The Leaper]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball.

Sorry Vince...I don't buy your point.

The Packers have the right to send Favre where they want...and Favre has the right to turn it down if it doesn't suit him.

The Packers don't hold all the control here...nor should they. Favre is not a slave.

Thompson should've have thought this all through before thinking he could easily peg Favre into a corner.

[Zool]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball.

Sorry Vince...I don't buy your point.

The Packers have the right to send Favre where they want...and Favre has the right to turn it down if it doesn't suit him.

The Packers don't hold all the control here...nor should they. Favre is not a slave.

Thompson should've have thought this all through before thinking he could easily peg Favre into a corner.

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

[The Leaper]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

I agree with that as well.

I'm just pointing out that when you play hardball, you sometimes will get a high hard fastball coming at you.

Neither side really seems to have taken the other side seriously in this situation.

[MadtownPacker]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

[Zool]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

I agree with that as well.

I'm just pointing out that when you play hardball, you sometimes will get a high hard fastball coming at you.

Neither side really seems to have taken the other side seriously in this situation.

Just let him in camp. That's really the only solution that will appease all sides. Let him in to compete now that he's willing to give it a go.

[The Leaper]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

No.

They KNOW he will be outplayed by the old man.

Only a dumbass would try to logically argue that Aaron Rodgers is better than Brett Favre RIGHT NOW. Sure, that might change in 6 months...or 12 months...or 36 months...but as of right now, Favre's experience trumps any advantages Rodgers has.

[Zool]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

I disagree with this. I think they are trying to set an example and say that no player is bigger than the team. All of MM's quotes the other day were "we're moving on as a team....team....team....etc". Its more like both sides are waving their dicks in the air to see who's is bigger. Its really god damned annoying from a fans perspective. Kinda makes me wish it was the 1960's and I didnt have 24/7 access to this bullshit.

[RashanGary]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

I disagree with this. I think they are trying to set an example and say that no player is bigger than the team. All of MM's quotes the other day were "we're moving on as a team....team....team....etc". Its more like both sides are waving their dicks in the air to see who's is bigger. Its really god damned annoying from a fans perspective. Kinda makes me wish it was the 1960's and I didnt have 24/7 access to this bullshit.

spot on.

This thing will get resolved though. It's a big mess but it's not the end of the world.

[Lurker64]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?

[Partial]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?

I don't think it would at all. It would say A-Rod did not perform up to our expectations and did not beat out Favre. We are going with the player who has performed better.

Furthermore, is it really appropriate for them to declare it Rodgers team so preemptively especially with everyone and their mother saying Favre would eventually want to come back? Seems like a poor decision in my part. Furthermore, what if BB came in and lit it up? No one should be declared starter unless they are either long established (Favre), or until after training camp. Rodgers didn't earn that stater title.