You heard it here first, trade of Favre to TB is done deal

[Chevelle2]

Ah, you said Rodgers wont be a success because he is inexerienced. And I present you this

Fine.

It still isn't evidence that Rodgers will be a success, or that Favre is doomed to failure in 2008 if he were to play.

That's my point. Clearly, you've got nothing.

I never said it was a guarantee. I said history points to Rodgers having a better chance of success than Favre.

[Gunakor]

Your are correct. He refuses to see the evidence

What evidence is there that Rodgers will be a success?

Please produce it.

I know Favre is a success. I've seen it on the field for 16 years.

I know Favre has failed when it counted most. I've seen it on the field for the last 10 years.

What evidence is there that Rodgers WON'T be a success? Please produce it.

Leaper, it's time to embrace the unknown. Odds are with Favre we will NOT win a SB, and I have a decade of unspectacular if not downright awful playoff performances to back me up on that one. It's time for a change, and it's time for us all to embrace that change. The unknown looks a helluva lot better to me right now than a QB who is proven to LOSE in the playoffs. Maybe Rodgers will get us over that hump and maybe he won't, but I am pretty sure that Favre can't do it anymore no matter how many more chances we give him.

[BallHawk]

There is no evidence on either side.

This is where hopes are either proven correct or proven false. If there was evidence one way or another I think that would of been taking into account.

Sometimes you've just gotta take a calculated guess and go with your gut.

That's what the Packers are doing.

[Sparkey]

Ah, you said Rodgers wont be a success because he is inexerienced. And I present you this

Fine.

It still isn't evidence that Rodgers will be a success, or that Favre is doomed to failure in 2008 if he were to play.

That's my point. Clearly, you've got nothing.

Realistically, there are no guarantees either way. Part of the problem is how to define success. If the ultimate goal is to win a SuperBowl, then Favre has only been successful one time in 17 years. As far as statistical accomplishments; His records include: most career NFL touchdown passes (442), most career NFL passing yards (61,655), most career pass completions (5,377), most career pass attempts (8,758), most career NFL interceptions thrown (288). All of these are as much a result of longevity as they are ability.

As for the two SuperBowls Favre participated in. The first Desmond Howard was named MVP and their defense was stiffling. The next year, with a defense not quite as good, the team failed.

A past qb of the Packers, was Starr. Starr's Packers won NFL Championships in the 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, and 1967 seasons. Following the NFL championships in 1966 and 1967, he led the Packers to convincing victories over the champions of the rival AFL in the first two Super Bowls and was named the Most Valuable Player of both games. He is the only player to quarterback a team to five NFL championships.

My whole point is, when Starr retired, I would venture that many people said that the Packers would never see another qb that good. Then Favre retired and the same claims are levied, albeit by different people.... So to assume Rodgers can't succeed is being blind to the past.

Will Rodgers be as good as Favre ? Maybe, maybe not. He might be better or he might be worse. Only time will tell, but history does show that as players reach their 40's, their abilities can and almost always decline rather quickly.

[mission]

We only need an Eli Manning performance from Aaron this season and we're a Super Bowl contender, easy as that.

Clearly, you missed the egg that our defense laid on the field against the NYG...as well as the egg our running game also laid.

You also must have missed the season Eli Manning had:

Completions = 56.1% (yucky)
Yardage = 3,336 (mediocre)
TDs = 23 (decent)
INTs = 20 (awful)
QB rating = 73.9 (blah)

I sure as hell don't want that. Green Bay will be lucky to break .500 if Rodgers plays like that.

I go to bed and you completely forget my posts ... backtracking a lot... you should *get it* by now.

We know what Favre can do.

Not quite enough.

Either Rodgers = "not quite enough" or "just enough" but either way, there's a chance for a different outcome.

This is kindergarten math. You should be able to figure it out.

[The Gunshooter]

It is insane to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. This offseason Favre would not commit himself after $hitting the bed again in the playoffs. Just listen to his retirement speech, he wears his heart on his shirt sleeve. His mental and emotional surrender is obvious to me. Mentally he just can't commit, mentally he can't walk away either. A week later he changes his mind! TT and MM just had to take the ball away from him especially considering they are so high on Rodgers. They knew a $hitstorm was coming from the fans but they have to weather it or it is going to set them back a couple years if not forever.

[Redbelly]

Excellent post Sparkey

But I'd go one step further and declair that Bart Starr is the greatest Packer QB of all time

He didn't freeze up in his ice bowl and offer up a pick. Up till now I've cheered Brett on since I overcame the news that RW traded away a #1 pick for "who" back in 92

But Brett looked old and cold in that last game and a much younger - maybe not as talented QB played within himself - relied on his team and won the game - then went on to win the Superbowl - much like Starr did in his day.

Thanks Brett - but lets give the ball to A-Rod now

BTW Gunshooter - thanks for making me laugh out loud at work - "shitstorm" - the visual destroyed me

[bobblehead]

Re: You heard it here first, trade of Favre to TB is done de

They are working on some small details. Will be announced soon.

Hmmm....credibility, meet bullet.

[Partial]

Your are correct. He refuses to see the evidence

What evidence is there that Rodgers will be a success?

Please produce it.

I know Favre is a success. I've seen it on the field for 16 years.

Ah, you said Rodgers wont be a success because he is inexerienced. And I present you this:


1st year QBs who have taken their teams to the conference game SB, or far into the playoffs.

Garrard
Big Ben
Warner
Rex
Romo
Marino
Delhomme
Brady


39 year old QBs who have taken their teams to the conferece game SB, or far into the playoffs.

None.

Those teams were talented before that first year player put them over the top, though. We don't know how good the team is without Favre.

That is a horrendously uneducated and not thought through comparison.

Historically, Favre has been great. No denying that. He was outstanding last year. There is little reason to believe that he can't be 90% of what he was. And that is probably quite a bit better than A-Rod imo.

[BallHawk]

Mmmm......Per PFT.

GARCIA SUFFERS LEG INJURY

Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia was carted off the practice field today with an apparent leg injury.

WDAE has a photo showing Garcia, still wearing his helmet and shoulder pads, sitting next to a Bucs trainer in a golf cart.

Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times reports that Garcia was injured during a non-contact drill. (We’re glad for the “non-contact” clarification. If Bucs coach Jon Gruden were putting Garcia through contact drills, he might as well hang a “Welcome Brett Favre” banner at Bucs camp.)

Per Stroud, Garcia felt discomfort in his right leg as he was rolling out and throwing, and he was seen limping toward the locker room.

Defensive tackle Jovan Haye, who started all 16 games for the Bucs last year, left practice with an apparent groin injury.

[Chevelle2]

Your are correct. He refuses to see the evidence

What evidence is there that Rodgers will be a success?

Please produce it.

I know Favre is a success. I've seen it on the field for 16 years.

Ah, you said Rodgers wont be a success because he is inexerienced. And I present you this:


1st year QBs who have taken their teams to the conference game SB, or far into the playoffs.

Garrard
Big Ben
Warner
Rex
Romo
Marino
Delhomme
Brady


39 year old QBs who have taken their teams to the conferece game SB, or far into the playoffs.

None.

Those teams were talented before that first year player put them over the top, though.

Really? The Rams were 3-13 before Warner, the Panthers were 1-15 two years before Delhomme, and the Pats 5-11 before Brady.

[GBRulz]

1st year QBs who have taken their teams to the conference game SB, or far into the playoffs.

Garrard
Big Ben
Warner
Rex
Romo
Marino
Delhomme
Brady

I'm not a stat guru by any means, but when I saw Romo's name on there. I sincerely question the accuracy on this. Wasn't his first year a one and done in the Wild Card playoffs? I don't exactly consider that "going far into the playoffs."

I also question why Rex is on the list. He was actually starting for three years before the Bears went to the SB, yes he was hurt, but your statement here is 1st year QB's.

You're right, the chances of Rodgers being better statistically vs a 39 year old QB are better, no doubt. But do we need to alter stats in an attempt to prove a point?

[Freak Out]

Mmmm......Per PFT.

GARCIA SUFFERS LEG INJURY

Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia was carted off the practice field today with an apparent leg injury.

WDAE has a photo showing Garcia, still wearing his helmet and shoulder pads, sitting next to a Bucs trainer in a golf cart.

Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times reports that Garcia was injured during a non-contact drill. (We’re glad for the “non-contact” clarification. If Bucs coach Jon Gruden were putting Garcia through contact drills, he might as well hang a “Welcome Brett Favre” banner at Bucs camp.)

Per Stroud, Garcia felt discomfort in his right leg as he was rolling out and throwing, and he was seen limping toward the locker room.

Defensive tackle Jovan Haye, who started all 16 games for the Bucs last year, left practice with an apparent groin injury.

#4 has said he wants to play for the GB Packers but considering how the team has reacted I'm surprised he has refused to talk to the Bucs if he wants to play and win another SB. They have a pretty damn good team and with him have a great shot at making a serious run....hell they have a shot with Garcia at QB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

#4 has said he wants to play for the GB Packers but considering how the team has reacted I'm surprised he has refused to talk to the Bucs if he wants to play and win another SB.

He wants to play for GB or MN, that completely explains all of his conduct. And he has some reason to expect that one of those can work out.

What's he really got to lose? HE's near end of his career, might as well go for his top choices.

[SudsMcBucky]

Re: You heard it here first, trade of Favre to TB is done de

They are working on some small details. Will be announced soon.

Hmmm....credibility, meet bullet.

Yeah, I know. My source is someone within the Packer's FO. I have given him some grief about this. I have never tried to post "insider info" before, and I guess I won't try to in the future anymore, either. He really thought it was closer than what it came to be.