Favre signs letter of reinstatement; ready to send

[VegasPackFan]

Digitadean wrote:

Something more substantial has to have happened between TT, M3 and Favre that they now don't even want him here.

This is what really has me perplexed. I honestly think that there is WAY more going on than what we know. All these theories about TT and his ego wanting to get rid of him, or MM holding a grudge because BF wanted Mooch for the coach, etc etc etc, make me chuckle. I dont think any of these theories hold the answer.

There has to be a REAL, CONCRETE reason why the Pack are so adamant about moving on. There has to be something that was said or done either during last season, or during the offseason that put everyone in the position they are in now.

Could it be something about the NFC Championship game? Either BF's performance, or maybe even something he said or did immediately following the game?

Is BF trying to wrest back some of the control and treatment he was getting during the Shermy days (now that he has finally put up a great season under this regime)?

It has to be something more than what we and even the media are hearing.

TT and MM have been fairly tight lipped and not saying too much, essentially taking the high road.

Why would the entire organization back this course of action - to not even allow him back to compete? There is not one non-player in the entire org that has dissented from this as far as I know. Why would that be? You cant tell me that there is not one exec or staff memeber that would argue for BF's return or even leak something out unless there was a very clear concrete reason for everyone to truly believe that the team has got to move on at this point.

[The Shadow]

Sorry....don't believe it.

You don't think Driver, Clifton, and the other vets aren't going to be on Favre's side? You don't think they will let that be known.

Sorry, just don't see any good at him coming to camp and I don't think that the team will go on as if nothing happened. Not when it comes to Favre - the leader of the team last year .

Reminds me of when the Cult INSISTED that Wahle and Rivera, with a chance to take care of their families for years with a new fat contract, would gladly take less money to 'win one for Brett Favre'.
I think they both signed with new teams in record amounts of time.

I think many of the players are a bit tired of Favre hogging the spotlight and the media attention, as well as holding their team hostage every year with the diva routine. They are pros, and want to be recognized for at least playing some itty bitty role in the Packers success.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think, Craigly, that TT's request means that Favre will be traded very soon. Why else ask Favre not to show?

I was more referring to the fact that in one place, Favre is making himself look great and that he has TT by the shorthairs and another he's saying the whole thing is being taken care of reasonably.

It's like a story where it gets more fantastic and dramatic each time someone tells it. It's getting more and more different each time it's told. You quickly realize that the teller is become just an attention-loving blowhard.

[RIPackerFan]

I think there is a big difference.

If Favre comes into camp AND is not allowed to compete, regardless of what you want to believe, it will rip the team apart.

And while I don't disagree that some are sick of Favre's attitude, remember that TO had teammate supporters in Philly - and I have to believe his behavior is a heck of a lot different than Favre's just wanting to get a chance.

[gex]

Sorry....don't believe it.

You don't think Driver, Clifton, and the other vets aren't going to be on Favre's side? You don't think they will let that be known.

Remember, while we are a young team, the other players need to win now and will make that known.

Meanwhile, while there may be a media lockdown, it can only happen for a little, and you don't think Favre will be talking?

Sorry, just don't see any good at him coming to camp and I don't think that the team will go on as if nothing happened. Not when it comes to Favre - the leader of the team last year - who led them to the NFC championship with the youngest team in the league.

Its starting to sound like the plot from Gladiator.

[RashanGary]

Favre does not want a chance. You heard him in the Greta interview. His stance is "why should I" compete for my job.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well after all of this, I can pretty much claim to hate 75% of all the posters here at Packerrats. It is a sad day when I have to cross over to the thoughts and feelings of Partial and Packerblues. I actually half heartedly agree with Tex's crazy idea of blaming the media.

Funny, Brett Favre helped rebuild Lambeau Field, and restore the legend of the mighty Green Bay Packers, he gave this team everything he had and more, and now they won't even allow him in the door. Shameful day in Packerland. It makes me down right sick to my stomach. You all can bitch and hate on Favre with his media act, but he has the right, he is pissed. They won't let him in the door to even compete for a starting QB job, but yet they won't get a deal done so the man can play football.

All I can say is, Aaron Rodgers better be able to play some football, because right now he has more eyes on him than any other QB in the National football league. He fails, the Ted fails, and McCarthy fails.

Disgusting simply disgusting.

[digitaldean]

Favre does not want a chance. You heard him in the Greta interview. His stance is "why should I" compete for my job.

But now with his latest mag. interview, he states that he is willing to compete with AR for the starting gig.

Man, this sucks. An icon like this finishing up his career in this type of squabble. Regardless of which side of the fence we Rats are on, this has got to just suck canal water.

Nutz, you've got the right to hate 75% of the posters here. Maybe I'm one of them, I don't know. Sad, if it's getting to that.

I have been critical of the Favre media game, mainly because they could have resolved this one on one. Could have been done last weekend after the HOF dinner. But nothing was done.

Yes, Favre was the main ingredient that resurrected this franchise in a wide variety of ways, no doubt. But the constant carrying on over the last 3 seasons has to wear thin with management, don't ya think?

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Favre signs letter of reinstatement; ready to send

Favre is doing the old double talk here. He accuses TT of it but Favre is doing it himself. Which is the truth Brett, is it this:

Favre admitted in a telephone interview that he stayed away Sunday in part because general manager Ted Thompson pleaded with him to delay his arrival.

"I asked Ted [Saturday], 'Am I welcome in the building if I report?' and Ted was just about shattered," said Favre in a telephone interview. "He said, 'Brett, you can't do that -- you'll get me fired.'

Or is it this (from another thread here):

Favre told SI.com here at his home west of Hattiesburg, Miss., Saturday night: "I had planned on reporting for the start of Packers training camp Sunday, but Ted Thompson asked if I would give him a couple of days to try to get the situation resolved. I agreed to do that. I don't want to be a distraction to the Packers, and I hope in the next few days we can come to an agreement that would allow me to continue playing football.''

You can't say TT is begging you in one interview to not come and then have him be reasonable in another one. That's like saying the weather never bothers you as a QB then saying the wind was goofy and that's why the throw wasn't on target and you threw an INT.

See this, this is what crazy Tex is talking about. in the first quote look at exactly what Favre is saying and what the reporter is saying. Favre said nothing about Thompson Pleading with him, that was the reporter.

I honestly believe Favre feels and can accurately be quoted closer to the second quote by SI. That is just my opinion, but anyways...

[Harlan Huckleby]

They won't let him in the door to even compete for a starting QB job.

Do you think Favre would be a happy camper if the coaches selected Rodgers? IF Favre would accept the backup role, I expect they would happily want him on the roster.

And what does "compete" mean? The coaches may prefer Rodgers for a lot of reasons beyond his preseason stats.
"Compete" to you and Favre probably means he gets the starting job.

but yet they won't get a deal done so the man can play football. .

complete bullshit. Favre today scoffed at the teams the PAckers have found with interest in Favre. He is being highly selective, that's his right, but you can't then blame the team.

[RashanGary]

Well after all of this, I can pretty much claim to hate 75% of all the posters here at Packerrats. It is a sad day when I have to cross over to the thoughts and feelings of Partial and Packerblues. I actually half heartedly agree with Tex's crazy idea of blaming the media.

Funny, Brett Favre helped rebuild Lambeau Field, and restore the legend of the mighty Green Bay Packers, he gave this team everything he had and more, and now they won't even allow him in the door. Shameful day in Packerland. It makes me down right sick to my stomach. You all can bitch and hate on Favre with his media act, but he has the right, he is pissed. They won't let him in the door to even compete for a starting QB job, but yet they won't get a deal done so the man can play football.

All I can say is, Aaron Rodgers better be able to play some football, because right now he has more eyes on him than any other QB in the National football league. He fails, the Ted fails, and McCarthy fails.

Disgusting simply disgusting.

Yeah, it's a sad day because your idol is sitting in interviews and throwing his current OL, WR's and coach under the bus because he ddin't like the ones TT gave him. He doesn't want to show up to fight for the job he retired from back. He said "why should I". He's flip flopping around, not even knowing if he wants to play football anymore and then expects his coach to take the job from the hard workign kid who acctually committed to the program and loves his teammates.

He wants to be released and he's throwing a huge hissy fit. The only thing sad in all of this is Brett FAvre.

[Deputy Nutz]

They won't let him in the door to even compete for a starting QB job.

Do you think Favre would be a happy camper if the coaches selected Rodgers? IF Favre would accept the backup role, I expect they would happily want him on the roster.

And what does "compete" mean? The coaches may prefer Rodgers for a lot of reasons beyond his preseason stats.
"Compete" to you and Favre probably means he gets the starting job.

but yet they won't get a deal done so the man can play football. .

complete bullshit. Favre today scoffed at the teams the PAckers have found with interest in Favre. He is being highly selective, that's his right, but you can't then blame the team.

I want him to be a JET. I am selfish and would not like to see him compete against the Packers, but what does that really matter anymore. This season is already going down as one of the worst in the history of the franchise. Shame, just shame.

It is on him, if the Packers have a deal in place with any team and Favre refuses to play, thats on him.

Compete under fair circumstances, thats what I would hope for. I don't think Rodgers can beat Favre out. Simply not enough game experience to handle everything an opposing team can throw at him, pocket awareness for one, that comes with experience, something Rodgers doesn't have yet. Sure it will come to intelligent QBs, but even Favre would fail to read the blitz or pick up the pressure in his early days and get blind sided and cough up the football. Right now Favre is the better QB. If Rodgers had two years of starting experience under his belt it might be a different story. I am tired of the sell job the Packers media agents are doing to try and convince me that Rodgers is the next coming of Steve Young.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well after all of this, I can pretty much claim to hate 75% of all the posters here at Packerrats. It is a sad day when I have to cross over to the thoughts and feelings of Partial and Packerblues. I actually half heartedly agree with Tex's crazy idea of blaming the media.

Funny, Brett Favre helped rebuild Lambeau Field, and restore the legend of the mighty Green Bay Packers, he gave this team everything he had and more, and now they won't even allow him in the door. Shameful day in Packerland. It makes me down right sick to my stomach. You all can bitch and hate on Favre with his media act, but he has the right, he is pissed. They won't let him in the door to even compete for a starting QB job, but yet they won't get a deal done so the man can play football.

All I can say is, Aaron Rodgers better be able to play some football, because right now he has more eyes on him than any other QB in the National football league. He fails, the Ted fails, and McCarthy fails.

Disgusting simply disgusting.

Yeah, it's a sad day because your idol is sitting in interviews and throwing his current OL, WR's and coach under the bus because he ddin't like the ones TT gave him. He doesn't want to show up to fight for the job he retired from back. He said "why should I". He's flip flopping around, not even knowing if he wants to play football anymore and then expects his coach to take the job from the hard workign kid who acctually committed to the program and loves his teammates.

He wants to be released and he's throwing a huge hissy fit. The only thing sad in all of this is Brett FAvre.

I thought Tarlam said in a different thread that you don't go looking to antagonize? Well Tarlam is certainly fucked at this point.

I would rather idolize Favre than Rodgers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Compete under fair circumstances, thats what I would hope for. I don't think Rodgers can beat Favre out. Simply not enough game experience to handle everything an opposing team

ya, but you are never gonna get that fair competition. Rodgers would have to totally stink it up to lose his job. The coaches don't have to allow a "fair competition" in the sense of an objective comparison. They are entitled to their own subjective reasons, some not related to current performance.

I basically agree with you, though, I wish Favre would come into camp, and just let the chips fall where they may.

But they can't do that if Favre is not prepared to play second fiddle if that's what the coaches decide.

[RIPackerFan]

All Hail Deputy Nutz!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I have no problem with an open competition with Arod and I don't know why the Pack didn't go this route. It provides a penalty to Favre to his indecision and mind-changing, and give Arod a shot to win the job (that if he can't - he shouldn't have it anyway).

However, to not let him compete is wrong. I can see why he is pissed and demanding his release. And regardless of what some people say, if he came to camp and they wouldn't let him compete....a lot of players would be pissed too.

Its tough - because I love the Pack, but I love Favre for what he has done for the Pack. I know how hard it is to find a QB - I was there before Favre and knew how Green Bay was the Siberia of the NFL.

I don't begrudge MM and TT wanting to move forward. They both need to do what they think it best for the long term (though I think the short-term should be on their mind). However, I am pissed that they seem willing to toss Favre aside and keep him from playing the game.