The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

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How? He retired and decided to come back? What did he do that is so bad? Reggie White did it, MJ did it, etc. It's not an uncommon thing at all. What is uncommon is the team not taking back the player, especially when they have gave it their all for them AND are one of, if not the best players in the league.

[The Shadow]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.
These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

What is the record for most "slaps in the face" claimed by a poster?
Everyone not bowing at the Favre altar seems to be supporting slaps in the face - now to an ever expanding portion of the team.

[The Shadow]

How? He retired and decided to come back? What did he do that is so bad? Reggie White did it, MJ did it, etc. It's not an uncommon thing at all. What is uncommon is the team not taking back the player, especially when they have gave it their all for them AND are one of, if not the best players in the league.

The diva "you have to beg me" yearly held the team accountable.
Favre finally went to the well once to often with that bit, encountered strength, forced the team to make new plans, and now is crying.
That's how.

[svh1962]

Re: The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

I'll let you figure that one out because it perplexs me. If the shareholders had any say at all, TT would have been fired already for this. Unfortunately, evidently no one is held accountable for their actions.

You mean the ones that, by all reports, clapped and cheered at the shareholders meeting? Are you sure you're not projecting your own bias into the situation?

No, 50% cheered and 50% booed. I am sure many more didn't boo out of respect, despite their desire to.

Even so, having 50% of your supporters pissed should get you fired. If this was Steve Jobs or Michael Dell they would have been canned.

I was at the shareholders meeting and it when some of the people started to boo, just about everyone else cheered loudly and gave TT a standing ovation. I would say that it was 80% cheering and 20% booing with the people who were booing being drowned out by the people who were cheering.

[MadtownPacker]

Shadow - Do you think this whole mess might make the teams veteran players concerned that they might soon lose their starting gigs even while playing at a high level?

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One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.
These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

What is the record for most "slaps in the face" claimed by a poster?
Everyone not bowing at the Favre altar seems to be supporting slaps in the face - now to an ever expanding portion of the team.

Um? What?

The point is those players are having their window for a super bowl despite being as close as a team can be slammed shut without any input from them.

They have an excellent shot at being the champions of the world with Favre at QB. With A-Rod, well, lets just say I would say they at best end up 9-7 this year.

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Re: The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

I'll let you figure that one out because it perplexs me. If the shareholders had any say at all, TT would have been fired already for this. Unfortunately, evidently no one is held accountable for their actions.

You mean the ones that, by all reports, clapped and cheered at the shareholders meeting? Are you sure you're not projecting your own bias into the situation?

No, 50% cheered and 50% booed. I am sure many more didn't boo out of respect, despite their desire to.

Even so, having 50% of your supporters pissed should get you fired. If this was Steve Jobs or Michael Dell they would have been canned.

I was at the shareholders meeting and it when some of the people started to boo, just about everyone else cheered loudly and gave TT a standing ovation. I would say that it was 80% cheering and 20% booing with the people who were booing being drowned out by the people who were cheering.

Other posters and columnists have commented it was 50-50. I will take their word.

[The Shadow]

Shadow - Do you think this whole mess might make the teams veteran players concerned that they might soon lose their starting gigs even while playing at a high level?

mad, if I was a GM I'd start the year by informing every player that they would have a job only until I could find an equal replacement at a cheaper price.
Everyone would be completely equal in that way.
It's heartless, I suppose, but it keeps the good of the many over the good of the individual, and I think St. Vince would agree.

[svh1962]

Re: The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

I'll let you figure that one out because it perplexs me. If the shareholders had any say at all, TT would have been fired already for this. Unfortunately, evidently no one is held accountable for their actions.

You mean the ones that, by all reports, clapped and cheered at the shareholders meeting? Are you sure you're not projecting your own bias into the situation?

No, 50% cheered and 50% booed. I am sure many more didn't boo out of respect, despite their desire to.

Even so, having 50% of your supporters pissed should get you fired. If this was Steve Jobs or Michael Dell they would have been canned.

That is fine but the people who cheered were clearly louder than the people who booed.


I was at the shareholders meeting and it when some of the people started to boo, just about everyone else cheered loudly and gave TT a standing ovation. I would say that it was 80% cheering and 20% booing with the people who were booing being drowned out by the people who were cheering.

Other posters and columnists have commented it was 50-50. I will take their word.

[Gunakor]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

He's already learned how to not suck. He's not going to learn how to stay healthy, he either is going to stay healthy or he won't. This is football for crying out loud. Injuries happen. As far as experience goes, how much experience did Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger have before they won thier first SB? Were they groomed for years before becoming the starter? I think Rodgers is as prepared as either of those two were, and the team around him is just as good. I see no reason why good things just can't happen with Rodgers under center.

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Shadow - Do you think this whole mess might make the teams veteran players concerned that they might soon lose their starting gigs even while playing at a high level?

mad, if I was a GM I'd start the year by informing every player that they would have a job only until I could find an equal replacement at a cheaper price.
Everyone would be completely equal in that way.
It's heartless, I suppose, but it keeps the good of the many over the good of the individual, and I think St. Vince would agree.

Wait wait wait... so why is it OK in your eyes that Favre can be replaced with a player that is modestly cheaper and 1/5 the player?!?

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One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

He's already learned how to not suck. He's not going to learn how to stay healthy, he either is going to stay healthy or he won't. This is football for crying out loud. Injuries happen. As far as experience goes, how much experience did Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger have before they won thier first SB? Were they groomed for years before becoming the starter? I think Rodgers is as prepared as either of those two were, and the team around him is just as good. I see no reason why good things just can't happen with Rodgers under center.

Equally prepared, sure. Equally talented? Highly unlikely, even if he does eventually become an above average NFL qb. Those guys are bad examples because they're both in the top 6 QBs in the league and rare talents.

[The Shadow]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.
These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

What is the record for most "slaps in the face" claimed by a poster?
Everyone not bowing at the Favre altar seems to be supporting slaps in the face - now to an ever expanding portion of the team.

Um? What?

The point is those players are having their window for a super bowl despite being as close as a team can be slammed shut without any input from them.
They have an excellent shot at being the champions of the world with Favre at QB. With A-Rod, well, lets just say I would say they at best end up 9-7 this year.

WHAT????? Have the passengers vote on the altitude the pilot should fly at!
Have the hospital orderlies vote on how the doctor should remove your gallbladder!
Players get paid to play!
Management gets paid to manage!
I half-believe you don't really believe the stuff you preach yourself.

[Zool]

Re: The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

I'll let you figure that one out because it perplexs me. If the shareholders had any say at all, TT would have been fired already for this. Unfortunately, evidently no one is held accountable for their actions.

You mean the ones that, by all reports, clapped and cheered at the shareholders meeting? Are you sure you're not projecting your own bias into the situation?

No, 50% cheered and 50% booed. I am sure many more didn't boo out of respect, despite their desire to.

Even so, having 50% of your supporters pissed should get you fired. If this was Steve Jobs or Michael Dell they would have been canned.

I was at the shareholders meeting and it when some of the people started to boo, just about everyone else cheered loudly and gave TT a standing ovation. I would say that it was 80% cheering and 20% booing with the people who were booing being drowned out by the people who were cheering.

Other posters and columnists have commented it was 50-50. I will take their word.

Well thats open minded of you. I'd really like to see any examples of this 50/50 claim because you're the first one I've seen it from.

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GBM posted it.